When is it to much - Page 2

Thank you all for sharing, but heres another way to look at it. An exsperienced training can read a level of a dogs intensity in bitework, we can see this in the dogs drive, grips and guarding work. Forenstence, i know my dog has a ton of drive and his grips are ok, I know this from training and exsperence but I personally dont see the need to put him in danger to test what I already know. Just the other day while playing ball with him, the ball happen to bounce over a 5 foot drop off, the dog with out thinking about it leaped down, was his mind on whether or not this could hurt him or was it on "I gotta get the ball". With that said, I also understand proofing and building confidence in protection training, but lets me honest a nice dog that has the genetics and training will want to bite no matter what (within reason) is put infront of them.

True this video is not abusive and in no way am i saying that, I just feel that we have a responcibilty to balance our ambition to see a tough hard dog and whats fare to put the dog through. Years ago before we have the one meter jump in schutzhund, a 6ft vertical wall was used and althought dogs did the retreives they cycled it out because it was causing shoulder injuries, so heres another example.

Please, I dont wish to start a up-roar just wondering other people thoughts thats all.


 

Prodogz,

I think the difference is that you aren't trying to sell your dog.  Even bigger difference, you aren't trying to sell your dog for 65,000.   They on the other hand are trying to show their dogs are different/better than the rest, to justify the price.

Many potential clients will see that video and think that dog is a man eater.  They won't realize he's in prey drive the entire time.  Not that a dog won't bite a human in prey drive, many do, but he's not showing what many non-dog savy people will think he's showing.  That said, he does look like a nice dog.

Nope wrong again, Rutevehaus,  it's not the exception it would be  normal for a good dog, and there are plenty of great dogs in schutzhund.  I know this because of my many years of personal experience in schutzhund, you see my opinion in this regard isn't based on a bunch of nonsense I glean from the internet, it's based in reality and is fact.  I see many  great dogs EVERY DAY, in schuthzund that would easily handle this exercize providing they were conditioned for it, as this dog obviously was, as all dogs are that are trained in that manner.  Like I said, a good dog is a good dog, and schutzhund dogs are just as capable of handling boxes or anything else you want to throw at them, because that's nothing more than conditioning, it has nothing to do with nerve or any other quality in a strong dog.  Another thing, if you think that video really showed the measure of that dog, one way or the other, you have a lot to learn about dogs.

Yes Ms Sueincc,
I do have alot to learn, thats why I DO NOT PROFESS to know things and insinuate that my opinion is correct and other opinions are wrong. I can only give my opinion about things I see and read. I am alot younger than you, and I defintely have not experienced what you have. But, is that a reason to backhandedly criticize my lack of knowledge or my opinion? I am here to read what others think and share, and respect their opinons. Those that claim they know it all and are constantly posting on every thread possible, and think their opinion is the only right one, are the ones, I pretty much discard everything they post. I don't even give it a second thought.

One thing is for sure, I am not experienced enough, nor do I have the desire to argue with anyone about their opinions and beliefs. I just state my opinion.

Edited to add: Since I didn't mention one thing about the video showing the measure of that dog in the video, I am not sure what prompted you to make the follwowing comment. Once again I will say, yes I do have alot to learn. Hopefully one day I can be just like the experts on here that know everything.

<<Another thing, if you think that video really showed the measure of that dog, one way or the other, you have a lot to learn about dogs.>>

You can go to ANY PSA trial and see dogs just as good.

Looked like he was just having fun.

Look, get it through your head, working a dog in a bunch of crate tops is not difficult at all, and not near as impressive as you obviously think it is or you would have not made such  dumbass statements about only "exceptional" and "few and far between"  schutzhund dogs being able to handle simple environmental stressors. 

Here's the thing:  You know nothing about schutzhund, and if you did, you wouldn't have made such stupid statements, so don't think you can venture forth any old stupid opinion without being called on your bullshit, by me, or anyone else who happens upon it, probably every time.

  



 
 

"When is it too much...?"

$65k  - that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much

Just looks like a cranked up mondio skit with a little PSA on the side IMHO
I'd bet that Mal does that to him self when he is inside one of those crates - LOL

As far as too much pressure for the dog - nah... looks fine

The "drama" its all about crating sizzle
+ get the viewer to ooooooohh & aaaaaaahh
+ then think "I want that"
+ then whip out the check book

On a side note I put my dogs life at risk every time I send her for the long bite - she is very fast and a high flier one bad catch and shes done for, but I trust my helper and know that there is risk involved in sports (and pretty much everything in life.... driving, eating cheese burgers, etc...)


 

Ms Sueincc,
   Thanks for your comments, and your criticism which I acknowledged and accepted on a previous post directed at me. I have also admitted that I do not know everything like some on here do. Since it is obvious you feel the need to continue pointing out my lack of Knowledge, which I have already agreed with you, it is also obvious, you know waaaaay more than me. If you want to continue to put me down to make yourself like good, go right ahead. I love helping people like you.

Now I wish you and yours a very Happy and Joyful Easter. I hope the Easter bunny leaves you plenty little Easter eggs. Oh, and some easter candy also.

HAPPY EASTER!!

Sueincc, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, matter of fact--- it could be on the branch, still.