Breeding a dog from a litter of dysplastic pups,. Your views on this. - Page 2

Kats:  I am very sorry that your dog has severe hd.  I understand how upsetting that can be.  It can happen  from dogs that have good hip ratings. My female was diagnosed with severe hd at 2 years old.  She is now 5 and for the past 3.5 years she has enjoyed a club level schutzhund career.  I keep her lean and make sure she has proper exercise.  She shows very moderate signs of hd.  My female is out of Zamp and to my knowledge he was not known to produce hd.  I would have loved to have another pup from him.  I don't know your situation but I wouldn't classify this breeder as unethical for breeding a female again after producing one litter wih 1 or 2 dysplastics pups.  Like said above I would take into consideration what the other dogs in the line had produced.  Unfortunately not alot of people submit ofa results when the a dog fails.  My vet actually told me don't bother to send them in as she won't pass.  I felt it was important to send them in so that this information could be tracked.   

I hope your pups is not showing pain from her h/d and that you enjoy him/her for a very long time.
Again, very sorry about your pup.

Cheryl

I didn't say she was unethical, read the other comments! It is Genetics.  I haven't been on this site for a couple of years until someone contacted me an called me a liar so I have to respond.  Some of you people think that it ok to breed dogs knowing that their litter mates are dysplastic yet we all agree that dysplasia is genetic,  could this happen to your litter mate in a few years, yes.  Regardless if there is one  or six dysplastic puppies in a litter, they should not be breeding these dogs. All this is doing is making the German Shepherd Dog weaker,  and does nobody ever think of the pain and suffering of these dysplastic puppies and owner.  We had to wait until she was a year old before she could have surgery.

Cheers

When I figure out how to post pictures of the x ray you will see them as well as the OFA report.

Cheers.

Almost EVERY litter with at least 8 pups in it, will have pup that is dysplastic in one of the eight. 20 to 30 percent of all German Shepherds born will have some dysplasia. So we would end up having no dogs to breed to if we eliminate breeding to dogs out of litters that produced a dysplastic dog....Whew!!

Kats,

 No offense, but to say if one dog in a litter is dysplastic the parents shouldn't be bred again is ridiculous. Unless every dog from every litter is x-rayed, there is no way of knowing if a dog is producing perfect hips in all it's progeny. Cases like yours are frustrating, but whether a breeder will admit it or not, it's going to happen if you breed dogs. A breeder can't eliminate HD from a breeding program, but researching the lines, breeding the best example of character and health will certainly mitigate the chances of HD being produced.

I'm with Gustav! No dog is going to breed litter after litter without eventually a litter coming up with 1 or more pups being dysplastic. So...are the previous litters OK to breed from or just the ones that throw a dysplastic dog in that litter? It's purely luck and up to nature as to when the dysplastics show up, be it the first litter or the 10th. IF we ended every dogs breeding career at 1 or 2 dysplastic puppies, we would not be doing any favors to the gene pool at all.

After all, how many dysplastic dogs are out there, that actually improve hip production? Jen, care to throw one out there?

Is the female bred dysplastic or just the pups in the litter? So many threads on this topic atm it really is confusing me.

GSD BNewbie.

The OP has a severly dysplastic bitch.  

A littermate of the OP's bitch is being bred.  No information on if the littermate is dysplastic or what that dog's rating is.

The OP is questioning the wisdom of breeding from a littermate of a severely dysplastic dog.

ty I was wondering by the title makes me think the bitch that whelped litter was dysplastic lol

 KATS, you didn't use the word "unethical" but were you not saying this shouldn't be done? Every one of us feels for you that your dog got dealt a crappy deck of cards. BUT- the reason every one of us feels for you is because 99% of us have been there, and the other 1% just haven't been in dogs long enough.

4Pack, as a matter of fact, Don vom Rolandsteich was noch zugelassen and a known hip improver. 

Additionally, Kats, it's not universally "agreed" that HD is genetic. It has a large, large, genetic component, coupled with a large environmental component. The toughest thing is it's polygenic and will only show up "when the stars align" in a certain way. I mean, I don't know anyone who would breed dysplastic dogs if they had dysplastic parents consistently producing dysplastic pups. There absolutely are dysplastic (probably some environmental issues at work in some of these cases and maybe the dog is not truly, genetically, dysplastic) dogs who produce a higher than average amount of good hips. 

What the dog itself IS is not necessarily indicative of what it will PRODUCE. If it was that simple, we'd have it fixed (Lord, I'd love a count of how many times I've typed that on this forum, lol). 

This is why I like the zw system so much. Not an absolute, but certainly more of a "big picture" approach which is so valuable.