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by Ibrahim on 31 January 2011 - 15:01
vfg is correct, in previous threads some members mentioned on top of the above the mask, a dark mask is a symbol strong pigment, also dark spots on the tongue. Also the dog color itself is a symbol of pigment strength or weakness, for example blues and liver are indications of poor pigment.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by VKGSDs on 31 January 2011 - 16:01
What about a solid black dog that has light eyes? This dog still has poor pigment because we only look at eyes and nails even though the dog is solid black with black "leather"?
by TingiesandTails on 31 January 2011 - 17:01
...pigment is in skin and nails (thorough black nose and black nails) - sometimes pigment is refered to as in black hair. Colour is hair colour - as in coat. Dogs with pailing gene most often show lacks of pigment in nose and nails and in coat (paling hair colour usually only visible with fully matured dogs).
This dog seem to have a thorough black nose.
I'm not sure, but yes, it seems like the top coat layer is amiss, except at the shoulders and neck.
This dog seem to have a thorough black nose.
I'm not sure, but yes, it seems like the top coat layer is amiss, except at the shoulders and neck.
by ggturner on 31 January 2011 - 18:01
Poor pigment, or a lack of pigment, is a fault, but there's so much more to a dog than pigment. I own a female gsd that is maskless (her father was a white gsd), but to me she's beautiful. She is very intelligent, loyal, and protective. I wouldn't trade her in for anything.
by darylehret on 31 January 2011 - 18:01
So then, the breed warden describing "red pigment" and fading masking features missed on both marks? And what's a color paling gene?
by Vishal28 on 31 January 2011 - 18:01
I agree to most of the comments related to paling gene, yes it definately has relation with the genetics. The dog in consideration seems to have good mask but the proper black saddle is missing, the black color on the back is in patches.
My understanding is this happend due to weak pigmentation gene pool which can be improved by using sable partners with such kind of dogs. This is my experience, i tried few combinations and got good results.
All the best!
Regards,
Vish
My understanding is this happend due to weak pigmentation gene pool which can be improved by using sable partners with such kind of dogs. This is my experience, i tried few combinations and got good results.
All the best!
Regards,
Vish
by crhuerta on 31 January 2011 - 22:01
Personally...I think the dog in the OP picture is quite nice...solid & strong looking.
Yes...I would like to see "better black " in the saddle area...but I really like the structure of the dog.
"Color" can often ( but not always) be enhanced in 1 generation...
I would consider first the temperament, and then look at the pedigree...to see if "genetics" carry good color.
THEN...I would consider if my own dogs could & would benefit from breeding to it....would my own dogs carry enough "genetics" of strong color and good pigment.
I think just omitting or considering a dog solely based on "color" can be counter productive to a breeding program.
JMO.
Robin
Yes...I would like to see "better black " in the saddle area...but I really like the structure of the dog.
"Color" can often ( but not always) be enhanced in 1 generation...
I would consider first the temperament, and then look at the pedigree...to see if "genetics" carry good color.
THEN...I would consider if my own dogs could & would benefit from breeding to it....would my own dogs carry enough "genetics" of strong color and good pigment.
I think just omitting or considering a dog solely based on "color" can be counter productive to a breeding program.
JMO.
Robin
by Louise M. Penery on 31 January 2011 - 23:01
Color refers to the intensity of the red/tan areas. Pigment refers to the black areas.
by lovejags on 31 January 2011 - 23:01
for a female she looks very masculine but i love her structure
by Rik on 01 February 2011 - 00:02
Pigment: "A substance that gives color to tissue. Pigments are responsible for the color of skin, eyes, and hair."
www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp
www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp
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