Looks like honey bees have bitten this dog's face - Page 2

I have also notice several males looking like this. Seems like some males have more a mastiff type head or almost like a bloodhound with the extra skin folds. But he is beatiful none the less. but I dont care for his head and his body seems swollen like as well. Bigger heads and beefier bodies seems to be a trend but hope not.
Reggie

Ninja181, I looked at some of his progeny and you are correct. I saw  alot of them looking like that. And those dogs had a great number of progeny as well. I looked at about 3 with a couple hundred progeny so do the math. I like Ursus and his progeny and the dog in question but dont like the swollen look takes away from the dog but only my opionion.
Reggie

Come on guys, if only judging from a picture, then look at the whole dog.

Very good shoulder construction, long bones. Nice long withers and high point. Evidenced by length of neck. Shoulder is not "up" in the neck.

Very good back, very long and correctly placed croup. Rear not over done.

Very strong and correctly angled pasterns. Feet also look good as far as can be determined by a single pic.

Very correct "ears" in both size and set on the head. Very good width to the thighs to match the croup.

Good eye color, pigment and rich color.

The head, from the front, does not appear coarse at all. But very good.

JMO,
Rik

I do not like those loose lips or the boxiness from the side. Compare his head to the standard:

My dog has the same head, minuse all the damn hair. This guy just looks "swollen" from the poof of mane around him. He does have loose lips and that does suck. MIne has started fanging himself in bitework. Sucks to pull your dogs k-9 out of his lip on the way back to the car. Not that he seems to care, he's just more pissed at the decoy and ready to mess him up a little harder.

All I have to say is...bees don't bite, not Honey Bees anyway! I thought this was a serious thread, looks like more smut. I will avoid this place once again.

Dear god!!

Here's the standard, as translated from German by Fred Lanting...I think these two dogs fall down in quite a few areas. I"ve higlighted the areas where these two don't seem to meet the standard.

The head is to be wedge-shaped, large but in proportion to the body, with length about 40% of the dog’s height at the withers, without being clumsy or overly long. It is dry in its general appearance, and moderately broad between the ears. The forehead is seen from in front and from the side to be only little arched, and without central furrow or with only a slightly implied one.

The proportion of backskull to foreface is 50:50. The breadth of backskull corresponds approximately to its length. The top of the head (seen from above) from the ears to the nose is a fairly continuous wedge-shaped taper, with a slanting but not too-sharply defined stop. Upper and lower jaws are definitely strong. The muzzle is straight, neither a saddle shape nor an arch being desired. The lips are tight, closing well, and of dark color.


And BTW, athough the background pigment of this dog is really dark and rich, if you look closely,  its saddle is poorly defined and appears to be brown rather than black.

And if you read the dog's koer evaluation, the evaluator says the dog shows excellent type... :(