Does $$$ make the Breeder or Dog? - Page 2

Gee Rik,
Your still the same smart ass aren't you.
Good thing Max bred up or your yakker'd have nuttin to yack about huh.
Try a real discussion instead of personal insults and you might actually make a point.

Every breeding should be an attempt at improvement should it not?
Money has nothing to do with it, ego's even less.

There is a difference between breeding a great bitch to an even greater male and breeding a mediocre bitch to a good male. I see no reason to deliberately breed substandard dogs. What was it I read here on the PDB once? "You can breed crap to gold but all you'll get is crap on your gold". I liked that one, it stuck with me.

Yes,
that's a catchy phrase, but what comes first, greatness or money?
That was Uber Lands first question.
And what makes a breeder?  
Money or wisedom?
Thats what the thread is about.

two moons understood, my questions.

nowadays its the people who have the $$$ but not necessarily the passion or knowledge that are considered the good breeders.  not everyone can start at the top, alot of people have to work towards that goal. more pride in breeding the dog, instead of being able to buy the dog.

I'm sorry people, I have had several really bad days and even life is too difficult at this point in time.  people are right, I cant afford the dogs some of you parade around, and might never, but on simple honesty and good faith I have had better breeders allow me the chance to own some,  no money or nothing I was allowed to bring home a V SCH3 bitch bred to VA1 Yasko.  it didn't work out, but it was still the effort put through that allowed me that chance.  I have bred to the likes of V Sergio v Bad Boll and several other top males in the country, with no money out of my pocket except a simple IOU.  my Ezra was simply a gift for years of opinions and suggestions I offered her breeder.

some of you are right, I probably won't manage to ever be able to achieve what ya'll have or do right by my dogs and get them on the field again for those important tiles, but I will try.  I will probably fail, but I can hope to be able to.

Never say never.

I do not equate money with knowledge at all. How many TOP dogs have been brought into the US by a wealthy person only to fall off the map and never produce anything noteworthy? How many teams with flashy uniforms, a shiny trailer, and some very expensive dogs disappear after only a year or two? Plenty in the last ten years, that's for sure! They realize showing and breeding these dogs is not all it's cracked up to be- fast. You can't just put together two five-figure dog and expect top winning puppies to pop out. No one is saying money equates knowledge and quality, but you can't get either without investing some of the first.

A fool and its money are soon seperated! Money is only a tool  one uses to acomplish an end to a dream!  that ancient  saying "let the buyer beware" is proof positive that money does not make the breeder or dog! the breeder or dog makes the money!

You're last post  answers your questions. You said most of your good dogs were basically given to you. What you did not say was the price you paid through the years. I believe in sowing and reaping and the price you paid was something pretty rare. You paid with something more valuable than money that is paid for dogs these days. You mentioned helping people,earning peoples trust and confidence in you.  That is how all good Breeders get their dogs. There is a big difference between breeders and Good Breeders. Any breeder with any since would always want their dogs to end up in the hands of good breeders. Not just for the publicity and resume they will build, helping their sales. But because of  their trust and confidence in the persons abilities to mate and produce offsprings that would not only help their own program but inhance the desired characters in the breed itself. Most top breeders that have been around for a long period of time, have become friends and established a relationship that enables them to have the pick of what they need with never exchanging a dime. I'll put it real plain I know a few people  that at anytime they call me and need something I have , Money  would never be a issue. The dog would be on its way. And it would be as good as I have. Because If I'm helping them I'm helping myself. Mr. Uber Land, I think you are more wealthy than you think.  Hank

I always felt quality will cost me....so I pay probably more than most for certain things that I feel are worth it to me.  $$doesn't make the breeder; I know a couple that have loads of cash I wouldn't recommend anyone to them. $$ doesn't also make the dog; we've all seen dogs with big tickets attached that weren't worth a bowl of dog food to most of us.  BUT I will say that $$ can HELP one who loves the breed and is not in it for what they can get but what they can give back, the ability to become a reputable breeder with a good name. I also think $$ can HELP make a good dog a better dog if you can afford training with the best of the best or send your dog to them.....bottom line is $$ makes the world go round and most of us spend more on our dogs than what we'd reasonably afford elsewhere.