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by Ibrahim on 14 November 2010 - 14:11
Wow Alphapup, excellent explanation of both the drives in action, I enjoyed the video more after reading your post as I started truly realising the difference and spotting each one when the switch takes place, became clear to me (at least in this case video).
Thank you Vikram for bringing this up.
Ibrahim

by Elkoorr on 14 November 2010 - 14:11
Alphapup, you are right. There are many greys in between the two drives and nothing is cut dry. Nonetheless, the natural dominant behavior of this dog is prey driven. This is not necessarely a bad thing and he may very well progressess to a very nice sport dog. I found that dogs with a natural more defensive behavior are harder to train. What you think?
by ALPHAPUP on 14 November 2010 - 18:11
ELKOOR ... this is a nice dog to have to work with .. you make a point... i always keep in mind .. there is no perfect person or dog .. KNOWING the temperament of the dog [ and we were at a slight disavdatage/ limitted to the video ..foremost temperamnet will aid to extrapolate as to which behavior [ or if you wish to say drive] the dog will go intoand what drive to expect with a ceretain helper presentation. . THIS IS crucial even before you start the work .. the helper is doing ok too working the dog. ..why did i make a point about the ears .... because that tells me how i could help or better the dog the ears . tells me what i may need to do to make him better. !!they also tell me psychologically and physically where his comfort level is [ or one would say to the threshhold level ] that i would work him in and howpossibly to increase hi confort].. you are correct the behavior most often displayed, falls into predatory apsects... you are correct : dogs that are more genetically bent to being defensive are in some respects harder to train ... not to teach .. but to train .. for one reason : if they are balanced .. one can use a predatory behavior[s] / one can change more easily the outlook /motivation / feeling of the dog as the dog feels stress . you can channel him in times of stress / . when a dog is stressed but has a defensive bent .. you cannot so easily make the dog not feel that it has to be defensive. [ not enunciating well here- i am loosing a bit in conveying the totality of the concept, it's more complex ]. even as a dog is an aggression mode , there is a specific differentiation as to what part of the brain and as to what neurochemicals are released. in simplicity .. harder to work a dog in the fright/ flight response ,/ mode to solve a conflict ,, than it to work a dog in a predatory mode. i prefer that a dog feel that it was succesful in an encounter because it was in control , e.g .. yeah , had that guy on the run and nailed the sleeve / him ... ..as opposed a dog coming out as a victor BUT the feeling and notion with in him was " whewww .. that was close, had to watch out for my butt, thank God i made , i'm ok , i'm ok " .. you see why i get away from the words "drive" ...
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