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 Deacon, Deacon, Deacon. What the hell are you thinking?


Posting here, I mean. Not the breeding. 

>  OK here goes. K9 Grizzly is my personal dog. I sold him to the department I am employed with to make it their property while employed with them, thus they are responsible for all medical, dental, feeding, housing, insuring etc: while employed with the agency. He reverts back to me automatically in the contract should I retire, resign, am terminated, or change assignments and when he retires.

>  He was a MWD reject. As you know the DoD keeps "NO" pedigree on their dogs they purchase from vendors.

> Yes I want to keep (1) for myself. The condition for the rest of the pups will require them to be spayed, neutered.

>  He is the last dog I will work prior to myself retiring. I have worked and trained PSDs for 31 years and I am really impressed with his working ability. My bitch is one hell of a dog also.

>  Phil

Deacon, Its hard for everyone to understand, (rightfully so) that pedigrees or registration papers is NOT what always makes a good working dog, or a dog worthy to be bred.  This message board focuses mostly on the titles, and other certifications a dog must get BEFORE they are bred.....Most people here follow the regulations of the SV and will only stay within those regulations....I am not saying that is not a good thing, as I believe it is, for the goals and direction they choose to go in....However there are others here that want to go in another direction which doesn't fall under the regulations of the SV...Some have good intentions and unfortunately those that have no intentions at all but to breed for the wrong reasons. ($$$$$$). I can understand why you want to breed your two,  but I do hope you stick to your plan about the spay and neutering of the pups you don't keep..My question is, how are you going to be sure the new owners will follow through with your conditions?.....Good Luck, and please keep us updated...

It's not so much a question of titling but more a question of evaluation by an unbiased third party.  Testing both the dog and handler's ability to deal with stress.

If, as you say your dogs possess strong working temperaments, and you intend to spay/neuter the get, who buys the puppies?  Most people involved with aggressive working dogs want them intact, so will these dogs go to pet homes?  How are you going to enforce your spay/neuter mandate?

well deacon...since we live in america,you're free to do as you like.and....there are plenty of "crappy registered litters"born every day!you've obviously evaluated your"breeding pair" and made a decision based on what you see before you....hopefully your plan will produce workable "service dogs" or good family companions.the "paperwork" is not a big concern to the average "puppy buyer",they just want a nice family dog....but if this pairing produces "over the top"pups and they're incorrectly placed in the wrong environment,the the responsibility falls squarely on your sholders....you obviously have service dog/training credibility(to whatever degree your unit requires)so,evaluation of drives and temprement of the pups will be critical...but don't be fooled by "slick talking" puppy buyers,who will try and cash in on the fact that the sire of their pup is a "working k9" and starting breeding pups to no end,with every"piece o crap" bitch they can get their hands on....be ready for 8 weeks of hard work and considerable expense(dog food,equiptment,supplies,vet visits cost the same for unregistered litters)....service dogs are being breed all over the world with out registration papers(dutchie/mal mixes,shepherd/mal mixes)you name it....do your breeding,get your pup,be careful about where the rest wind up and be happy...good luck.

When we got our black pup from a rescue at 10 weeks, they had a policy whereby, when we had our dog neutered, they sent us a check for $100. I thought that was a good incentive, maybe not perfect, but it gives you a reason to call and check up on their promise that you had them sign. And we ended up never cashing the rescue's check, thought we'd let them keep it for a donation.

Neutering and spaying those pups is a bad idea for all the reasons Phil stated, plus a bunch more. Put the word out to K9 handlers about them, or maybe K9 handlers who might be looking for a personal dog, OR- hope she has a small litter, keep them a year, and sell them "green" to people who can handle them.

>  All the offspring will go to officers in my agency. I have promised them I will assist in all aspects of their raising as well as obedience. These individuals quarry for me as well and are very into Police K-9 work. In addition each one owns a home.
 
>  Eventually 2 of the officers are to replace myself and to become the newest handler.  I have been given permission to start another team. I have faith the pups will be taken care of, if not, I will personally reposess each one.

> Thanks for your opinions, now I must make a decision.