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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 05 October 2010 - 14:10

sunsilver-Do you not really think if these cats "INTENT" was to kill, these people would not be dead!  C'mon now!That MGM attack was simply a cat tired of being mistreated, and it is QUITE OBVIOUS, the female was trying to stop the male from the attack.(sorry, got to defend the lions, you want to treat them like commercial commodities, you don't get respect from them, nor do you deserve respect from them).
     Ever been around retired racehorses? Most that I have known have NO RESPECT for people "what-so-ever".WHY WOULD THEY! several have legs broken down and bent, crippled by the age of 5 because they were run into the ground by the age of 2.
     You get back out of an animal, exactly what you put into it! Love it-It loves you back. Plain and simple!!!!!
Don't matter if it's a mouse or a wilderbeast! (now reptiles are totally different)

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 05 October 2010 - 14:10

 You get back out of an animal, exactly what you put into it! Love it-It loves you back. Plain and simple!!!!!

Here's what you get when you try to treat a chimpanzee like it's human:

www.youtube.com/watch

The chimp's owner made up all sorts of excuses for the animal's behaviour. She even fed it traquilizers to try to keep it under control. The truth of the matter is this was an adolescent male chimp. At that age, they start to mature sexually, and go into violent, raging displays where they show off how strong they are. Even the members of their own tribe will run and hide from these displays, which are meant to help the young male achieve a higher status in the tribe. They will physically attack anyone or anything that gets in their way during one of these rampages.

Do NOT fool yourself. Nurture can only go so far in changing the nature of a wild animal.

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

     In the wild, "some chimps" are alot like young punk kids. They ban togeather and rape and mame other chimps.They get "gang" mentality.
    EACH has it's own personality. just like people.Do you think there isn't Jeffery Dahmers in the animal kingdom , just as there is in the Human Race.
    There are BAD SEEDS in Every species. can't condemn ALL for individual actions.
PLENTY OF BAD DOGS OUT THERE ALSO!!!

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

Kit Kat, have you read Jane Goodall's books? Then you will know this isn't unusual behaviour for an adolescent chimp...IT'S NORMAL!  That's why young chimps used in films have to be given to a zoo or some sort of wildlife sanctuary once they mature. They are much, much too dangerous to be used in films anymore!

And that's why Jane and others are working so hard to ban the ownership of baby chimps, and their use in films. There's also the sad fact most baby chimps are taken from their mother's arms in the wild, and the mother is usually killed to prevent her from attacking those who are trying to take her child.

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

That's why I DON'T HAVE A CHIMP!!!!!
     I have a friend in florida that HAD chimps. one day a chimp, thought he was getting to close to the chimps girlfriend,(another chimp), broke his arms, legs and put a general all around BEATIN on the guy!
    Of course, they are animals!!!You must respect them and KNOW their potentials!
Do you think a Bull, or Stallion is any LESS dangerous to a person that don't respect the animal "FOR WHAT IT IS, an ANIMAL".
     How many people, kids ,adults are maimed and killed by DOMESTICATED DOGS, EVERY YEAR?
Wild or Domesticated-they ALL have the potential to kill!!!That is my ONLY point!

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

No, you said that if you LOVE them, you will get LOVE in return!  That is QUITE different!

To me, respecting a wild animal means recognizing it for what it is, and not treating it like it's an overgrown house pet!  You can raise lions and tigers from birth, treat them with love and respect and hand-feed them, but the wild instinct is still there.  You MUST respect that! You must accept that if you trip and fall, there is a chance the hunting instinct MAY come out, and the animal will pounce on you, and possibly kill you.

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

And there is a chance i will trip over a rock, roll down the bank, knock myself out, and a bear will come along and eat me!

by beetree on 05 October 2010 - 15:10

That would be punishing, and I think something like that did happen somewhere in Indiana, late at night.

I agree with Sunsilver though, you sounded like with your experience, it was your love that was the bond with your tigers. At some point, that changes, is the other point and it is dangerous to think your "love" is the exception. Or at least I think that was the point.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 05 October 2010 - 16:10


by beetree on 05 October 2010 - 16:10

LMAO!





 


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