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EKvonEarnhardt

by EKvonEarnhardt on 22 September 2010 - 03:09

Mike I hope you don't mind if I jump in and ask a question (seems like a good crowd that knows their stuff) being a newbie also to PSA  I wanted to ask what is better  a  2 " Collar or a harness for a young pup 6 mo shepherd and 18 month dutchie?


by waleed on 22 September 2010 - 05:09

i have to explain, i put the puppy in tie the puppy to tree at the 2 session let him be acclimated to the field and to the post or tree let him watch other dog working and the handler far away from the dog or the puppy ,then after that if he is comfortable i will start working him with rag and i like to use the harness  so he can work batter in the beginning, i will start working him in pray nothing els , i give the puppy or Young dog a second to investigate the rag some of the dog do , and then i will swing the rag for the puppy ,you have to backfill not hit the ies of the dog you don't want him quit at  and have bad experience when he is learning to bite, very short session i keep the rag moving all the time and when he show me that he is ready to bite i give a chance to bite the rag and let him win


  waleed


MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 22 September 2010 - 15:09

Waleed,
                This sounds like you are introducing new things to a very young dog.
Building the confidence without the handler near by. A dog with high prey drive would
respond very well. His main focus and drive will be an article or activity around him.
Has this worked with a group of people around or is this good with just a few people training?

MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 22 September 2010 - 16:09

Waleed,
                  Fr Ring....Tie outs are the way some french trainers start their dogs,
the one  who comes to mind is Denis Caillot....Have you done any training with him or
Patrice Foucault?
Here is a good example of a more congenial way to start a puppy. Felix Seguna and Monkey.
   
                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROAzMh9AB5Y





MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 22 September 2010 - 18:09

PSA may have to barrow from Fr Ring or Schutzhund with more than
100 years of trail and error to draw from. I don't no much about PSA, only
that not everybody has the time to commit to the other dogsports. So PSA
is an alternative. ...............But you can not draw from a vacuum either.
 
So because there are at least 6 PSA people that post here on a regular bases,
let me make a suggestion.  Patrice Foucault is one of the best Fr Ring trainers.
He has a very nice dog right now he is bringing along.....Colt. I would say this is
a very good opportunity to follow a world champion trainer and how he works his
dogs in foundation training. Much can be learned. He has had very good success
with Colt, and breeding on a line that goes back to Cops du parc des Acaicias.


MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 23 September 2010 - 15:09

Does anyone recognize what training vest he is wearing? ..Patrice.

GSDPACK

by GSDPACK on 23 September 2010 - 16:09

I back ties all my dogs depending what we do. It is great when I need 2 hands on a pinch.  We teach specific things on a tie.
My female was on a tie as a 8 months old? no problem, she figured it out I helped her and that is the point.
Sometimes it is a great tool when the decoy needs to work closely with the dog and handler cant get a solid stand and an inch matters. I also like semi bungee to teach the dog to drive in! It has many, many great uses!
Pack

MAINLYMAX

by MAINLYMAX on 23 September 2010 - 16:09

GSDPack,
                     I like the line to be tight,... but the simi bungee
sounds interesting...........I just don't want the dog to
be bungeed back into the tree..................that would be bad!

4pack

by 4pack on 23 September 2010 - 17:09

Oh God no. Our bungee is like 150 feet long. Good for speeding up a dog at the launch or keeping a harg grip, no popping off or you don't get success.

I'd comment on the tying out but others have already said what I have to offer.

GSDPACK

by GSDPACK on 23 September 2010 - 23:09

4pack answered.. nope I never use bungee on a tree. I am the tree...LOL when the dog is 60 feet away and I like a cutting horse either plant it on my butt or like a funny rabbit hop all the way untill the bungee runs out of the strech... I have been told it is qiuet interesting experience to see me work with a bungee.
 MAny of my friend laught and await the handling skills of the day...
The semi bungee is a rubber inbetween two lines, tied to a tree. It does not strech much but enough for the dog to drive in if they want a bite.
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