Re: GeordieGavino and the PETA Investigation Victory... - Page 2

“There’s no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Peta, Washingtonian magazine, Aug 1986

I wonder what these PETA peoples living conditions are? If they really live by all they say, they coudn't live at all. Couldn't clean their home, OMG you might vacuum up the fleas in the carpet, or harm the dust mites. Can't bait those ants or harm the cockroaches on your counter. Don't drive a car, your hitting millions of bugs with your windshield and grill. Holy Christ, they have ran over snakes and frogs and left them there to die. The BASTARDS! Can't go to the grocery store, have a job or even a home because your encroaching on animals land with the buildings. The best thing you can do is shoot yourself in the head and save the animals.

4pack If only!

I own books by Dr. Michael Fox, but he has leaned more towards AR than AW over the years.

"Human care (of animals) is simply sentimental, sympathetic patronage." (Dr. Michael W. Fox, HSUS, in 1988 Newsweek
interview)

is one of his milder quotes.

And this is definitely the AR view:  "to call an animal with whom you share your life a 'pet,' is reminiscent of men's magazines where you (a figure of speech, don't take it personally) have the Pet of the Month."

by Prager on 20 September 2010 - 12:09

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Oh that is sophistry 101. So if someone does one good thing then they are good and not to be condemned by us?
Ok then. Here is one for you:

Adolf Hitler liked German Shepherds and petted them on the head and fed them well. So he did some good and we should not condemn him.
OMG. Where did you go to school? What do they teach there? This is basic logic.


Prager.

If you like Adolf Hitler that is your buisness your American you can like who you like and not be judged for it. Dont you have a group of Neo-Nazi's there? Am British and it may suprise you but Hitler isnt really a good guy here. He sent alot of bombs our way during the 1940's. We survived just incase you didnt figure that out ;) 

I went to a top school actually :) Our head won an award from Tony Blair for great services to the education system and had a meeting in Downing Street but thats another story that isnt for a dog site (as some of you like to point out)

Also Prager i never said dont condemn them but i just stated that i was talking about this one act and not Peta as a whole. If you wish to discuss Peta as a whole then create a post aimed at all the their actions etc.... You cant attack me for just saying i am grateful they brough down this Lab!



 

 

Again people i wasnt defending Peta i was just stating that they caught out a Lab that was so bad it was closed down!

I am guessing though, that because this lab was discoverd and brought down by Peta. The lives of them Dogs, Cats and Rabbits mean nothing to you and are unworthy to be celebrated and unworthy for someone to say "Am glad them animals were found before they went through much more suffering" My post was meant to be about the Animals involved but your all so against Peta that you dont care for the lives of animals along as they are saved on your terms? Says alot about you and this site is definitely educational.

This site has Shown me that Breeders and many Dog owners rarely care for any animals beyond their own breed. If i was to upload a video of a chinease fur farm (one without GSD's in) would you even worry about the animals in the video, feel for them and even cry cause of their pain? Am sure Peta has a video of one of the Chinease fur farms.... Yeah the word "Peta" made sure you dont want to even consider looking at a video made by them. Created by a Peta undercover reporter cause they dont agree with you, their findings will mean nothing andx the animals they do/try to save are now worthless cause Peta has connected themselves to those poor animals. Animal lovers? Dont make me laugh , your a bunch of men and women on a computer who have personal oppinions and who ever dont agree with them views then they are public enemy number one!  I understad your views but to stand there and deny that the animals were in need just because Peta got to them first. Disgusting!

You numbskull!  Prager was making an analogy regarding your view that one good act by PETA would outshadow their COUNTLESS wrongs.  Get your head out of your pooper!


Oh and as an aside.  What will PETA like to see done with the lab animals?  I assume kill them to spare them the misery of human care and companionship....dumbass.

by Rookabadooka on 20 September 2010 - 22:09

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You numbskull! Prager was making an analogy regarding your view that one good act by PETA would outshadow their COUNTLESS wrongs. Get your head out of your pooper!


Oh and as an aside. What will PETA like to see done with the lab animals? I assume kill them to spare them the misery of human care and companionship....dumbass.

I know what he was trying to do but it didnt work clearly and to be honest i dont agree with the killings of innocent animals that could be given a home but, i will say i would rather see a animal humanly killed than to have it's teeth ripped out while it can still feel 'cause a group of people used out of date medication! I have already said i dont agree with Peta's views but i do agree with this certain case lets forget about Peta and look at how those animals were treated. Am just glad someone got to them before more animals were tortured by these people!

Geordigavino,

I never said those animals' lives don't mean anything to me, simply because it was PETA that found them first.  Their suffering is sad.  

Tragically, animals are used for testing long before products are ever used on humans, and medical testing is also done on animals before humans.  I don't like the fact that this occurs.  I am not certain that it's as effective as science would have us believe it is, but hey, who am I to question science?

That said, the reason for my post is to point out that you will be hard pressed to find anyone here who views ANYTHING that PETA does to be good, regardless of what they claim.  For all we know, PETA created the whole scenario so they could play the good guys and go in and rescue those hapless animals.  There is no way of knowing.  I do know that I view anything associated with PETA as being very suspicious.

With regard to the Chinese fur farms, my friend, you are in the UK, and I am in the US.  You and I do not view animals the way that a lot of the Chinese people do.  You would be horrified to see some of the things they do with animals, and you'd be horrified to see butcher facilities and other places there.  Their way is not our way, not even close.  That's not a racist statement, it is simple fact.  Some Chinese people keep pets, but the animals raised for food are just that: Food.  They are not pets, and there in not a fraction of the concern as there is for pets.

As for Adolph Hitler...He is not viewed as a good guy by very many here in the US, just as he is not viewed that way by a good many around the world.  As for having "NeoNazis" here, yes, there are, but I'll bet the farm there are a few there, too.  There are a few in lots of places around the world.  I don't care whether Hitler liked GSDs or not.  He's dead, been that way for a while now.  Hans Prager is from Czechoslovakia (sp?), so I believe you'll find he is far better versed in the issues faced by Europe as a result of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of those infamous murderers than most. 

Anyway, never said that you were a PETA creep, don't know you.  But I was warning you that before coming on this board, where livelihoods are frequently threatened because of PETA -inspired legislation, saying anything about PETA, consider the feelings.  My local animal shelter has done more for animals (population less than 6,000 people, mind you)  right here in little, tiny North Idaho than PETA has ever done, worldwide.  I bet, though, that PETA's kill rate is much higher, though, even though up until four years ago, our local shelter was a kill shelter.

Crys

As for Adolph Hitler...He is not viewed as a good guy by very many here in the US, just as he is not viewed that way by a good many around the world. As for having "NeoNazis" here, yes, there are, but I'll bet the farm there are a few there, too. There are a few in lots of places around the world. I don't care whether Hitler liked GSDs or not. He's dead, been that way for a while now. Hans Prager is from Czechoslovakia (sp?), so I believe you'll find he is far better versed in the issues faced by Europe as a result of Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of those infamous murderers than most.

The comment i made about Hitler and neo-nazi's was more of an attack on you American's and it wasnt nice. So i'll take that back .

Also Peta is one organisation which yeah alot of people know of but are they honeslty going to convince the world to stop buying from breeders and convince the world to either kill or free their pets into the wild? So people relax, by fearing the thing itself gives the thing you fear the most power. Stand by what you believe to be right (without attacking me lol) and dont let anyone tell you different. I wont take back my statement about Peta's work when it came to this certain lab but i will take back my comments that attacked paticular people on this site. We are human and we will have different oppinions and ideas about the world around us. So why waste time arguing and just accept that some thinks about the world differently than ourselves. 

If it wasn't for "us" Americans, you and the French would be speaking German right now.