What do you guys think about these hips??? - Page 2

To reiterate...just asking for opinions on the hips, not asking for opinions about keeping or buying the dog! The dog is a very well-loved pet/working dog and is already 6 years old. He shows zero signs of any problems. 

Thanks all!!! I agree they're not terribly round, but the reason I posted these in particular are because they belong to a dog who is closely related to 2 dogs I know well-one I own and one I co-own.

I asked for them out of curiosity because BOTH the other dogs have similarly shaped femoral heads and necks, (one has hardly a separation between head and neck and has HUGE bone- you all guessed Mastiff or Rott when I posted them, lol) and have each been xrayed young, and much older, and there have been no changes in either of them, no arthritis, no further remodeling, etc. I found it interesting that this "line" seems to have an unconventionally shaped joint for OFA's purposes, yet it seems to work out just fine for them in the long run, thus piquing my curiosity.

The discussion on the other thread regarding one "ideal" made me wonder about this. If I remember correctly, these were prelim'd "fair" but I'd have to ask. 

I'd be curious to see what BAnderson has to say, too. She's had some interesting comments on other films I've posted. 


Thanks again!

In your original post you said "Not quite 2 yr old male." Now he is a 6 yr old?

Firefly,

The pics were taken when he was not quite 2......about 4 years ago......simple math really.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

 found it interesting that this "line" seems to have an unconventionally shaped joint for OFA's purposes, yet it seems to work out just fine for them in the long run, thus piquing my curiosity.
I know that I am going to get chewed up but my experienced is telling me that
 the bad hips very rarely cause any problems in dogs under 8 years and even after the 8 years the problem is caused often by spine problems or arthritis rather then hips.  That does not mean that such hips should be bred. These here are fair hips. And I call them "work" hips. In other way dog can work with these hips just as good as dog with OFA excellent or good.
 However I would breed them only in extreme case if ever to a dog with exceptional hips background. My idea of hips breeding is that you should as much as possible  select the dogs for breeding of hips (or anything for that matter ) which is above average or on the "good" or" right"  side of statistical bell curve. That way you will push the statistical curve ( or average) to the right side thus bettering the genetic pool as far as hips ( or any other characteristic goes). 
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

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Sockets are shallow but I think I would assume the dog would be sound  fair OFA. These are not bad hips I say passing hips. I had a czech bitch here with some similar traits in her hip joints she went A2. I would not be surprised is she had a similar pedigree. here are her hips

There's some really valuable stuff on this thread.

Since this particular dog's line "tends to have unconventionally shaped joints for OFA purposes" that's something very good to know.

Take for example shallow sockets. This might make the dog go OFA fair and not OFA good even if the hips are excellent in every other way. May never bother the dog or cause a problem so IMHO not a "bad' hip at all. But it's a great thing to know so you can specifically choose potential mates with deeper hip sockets versus shallower or more average sockets. OFA ratings aren't the only thing you need to know.

Jenni thanks for starting it.

 Hans, I tend to agree, but I don't have the hands on experience to back it up. Thanks for your point of view.

Vickie, lol. Yes, precisely right. Xrays are 4 years old. Thanks for clearing that up.

Barb, if you'd like to PM me that ped, I'd be very curious about their common lineage, if any. Those do look similar in a way-slightly flatter than we like. Shallow sockets may just be...............shallow sockets, end of story. <shrug>

Mobjack..........I love this stuff, don't you?

 I would say fair ( maybe on a good day ) but they look mild to me. Would be interestring to see a new x-ray today at his current age.

Jenni, yep I do too!
You still have this one and thinking about getting him redone? It would be great to see how they look now.