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by Kimmelot on 18 August 2010 - 00:08
Hellina , depending on what bloodlines your working with there can be a huge range of defects. GSDs are a rewarding breed, and that is what has keep people in buisness. I am so sorry you had to experiance your first dog this way, and it seemes you were doing all the right things. Sometimes its the way the dice rolls. She probably never expected it to happen this way either.
Testicals usualy do drop on there own. Its hard to explain , but there are hormones that keep those holes open above the testicals, sometimes the holes close at the wrong time when they didnt come down and then you have a trapped guy. In some cases it may be geneticly linked, and in some cases it may just be on a whim. There are lots of reasons dogs have epiliptic fits too, including ivermectin sensitivity, reaction to rabies shots, poisoning , allergies etc.
Your breeder may be in denial if she has bred the 2 same parents before, or sisters to the mother etc, and have had healthy puppies in the past. Its happend to me where I have had one genetic issue pop up one time out of 40+ healthy puppies out of simular bloodlines. We are dealing with geneticly deverse animals, not robots, and things are going to happen that are beond our control.
Good luck with your boy , I hope you can recover from watching him suffer so .
Whisper
Testicals usualy do drop on there own. Its hard to explain , but there are hormones that keep those holes open above the testicals, sometimes the holes close at the wrong time when they didnt come down and then you have a trapped guy. In some cases it may be geneticly linked, and in some cases it may just be on a whim. There are lots of reasons dogs have epiliptic fits too, including ivermectin sensitivity, reaction to rabies shots, poisoning , allergies etc.
Your breeder may be in denial if she has bred the 2 same parents before, or sisters to the mother etc, and have had healthy puppies in the past. Its happend to me where I have had one genetic issue pop up one time out of 40+ healthy puppies out of simular bloodlines. We are dealing with geneticly deverse animals, not robots, and things are going to happen that are beond our control.
Good luck with your boy , I hope you can recover from watching him suffer so .
Whisper
by Hellina39 on 18 August 2010 - 01:08
Hi Kimmelot, I only removed the testicles because both vets said they must come out because there was a high probability of cancer. I bought him as a companion pet and wasn't looking to breed nor show him. Just looking for a healthy dog that would be able to live a long life with us so i had them removed. Didn't want to take any chances.
I am angry with the breeder because she didn't have the courtesy to acknowledge my e-mail. The neurologist said it was idiopathic epilepsy . He sees it all the time and was 99.9% sure. My dog is on Calfornia natural (very limited ingredients). I am a health nut, I don't use room sprays , never put fertilizers on my lawn (everything organic). I asked him the vet about the flea med. and he staring seizing before I started the advantix.
I sent the breeder an e-mail close to a year ago.She never responded. I don't want another puppy from her. I just wanted her to basically say she was sorry to hear about one of her dogs being sick and that she was glad that I brought it ot her attention so she wouldn't breed those two dogs.
I am angry with the breeder because she didn't have the courtesy to acknowledge my e-mail. The neurologist said it was idiopathic epilepsy . He sees it all the time and was 99.9% sure. My dog is on Calfornia natural (very limited ingredients). I am a health nut, I don't use room sprays , never put fertilizers on my lawn (everything organic). I asked him the vet about the flea med. and he staring seizing before I started the advantix.
I sent the breeder an e-mail close to a year ago.She never responded. I don't want another puppy from her. I just wanted her to basically say she was sorry to hear about one of her dogs being sick and that she was glad that I brought it ot her attention so she wouldn't breed those two dogs.
by Hellina39 on 18 August 2010 - 01:08
Thanks all for listening. Just wanted to vent a little tonight. He has had a bad few weeks on his medication. We have to adjust the meds again and there is aways a possibility of him going into seizures. :-(
by Kimmelot on 18 August 2010 - 01:08
Hellina , Is it possible your email was lost to cyber space ?? You would be surprized how many people tell me that my paid yahoo account emails never get to them. And I do get complaints once in a while that I never responded to new buyer- they will write or call my mom.
Why not call her durring normal hours, maybe she will be at work, or try emailing from a new email address with no pictures or FWDs attached to it.
I am so sorry once agian, it can be rough when working to save an ill animal, we are all emotionaly tied to them. ((huggs))
Whisper
Why not call her durring normal hours, maybe she will be at work, or try emailing from a new email address with no pictures or FWDs attached to it.
I am so sorry once agian, it can be rough when working to save an ill animal, we are all emotionaly tied to them. ((huggs))
Whisper
by oak34 on 18 August 2010 - 01:08
ttt
by kaigranny on 18 August 2010 - 12:08
I'm a litigation paralegal and while I don't know what state you live in, or if you are in the US, but for the future - I believe it's too late for you now - Florida has a PET LEMON LAW - here it is - check your state's statutes they may extend the period of time....:
828.29 Dogs and cats transported or offered for sale; health requirements; consumer guarantee.--
(1)(a) For each dog transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the dog's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each dog transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each dog offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the dog is offered for sale in the state, unless the licensed, accredited veterinarian certifies on the official certificate of veterinary inspection that to inoculate or deworm the dog is not in the best medical interest of the dog, in which case the vaccine or anthelmintic may not be administered to that particular dog. Each dog must receive vaccines and anthelmintics against the following diseases and internal parasites:
1. Canine distemper.
2. Leptospirosis.
3. Bordetella (by intranasal inoculation or by an alternative method of administration if deemed necessary by the attending veterinarian and noted on the health certificate, which must be administered in this state once before sale).
4. Parainfluenza.
5. Hepatitis.
6. Canine parvo.
7. Rabies, provided the dog is over 3 months of age and the inoculation is administered by a licensed veterinarian.
8. Roundworms.
9. Hookworms.
If the dog is under 4 months of age, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered no more than 21 days before sale within the state. If the dog is 4 months of age or older, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered at or after 3 months of age, but no more than 1 year before sale within the state.
(2)(a) For each cat transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the cat's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each cat transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each cat offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the cat is offered for sal
828.29 Dogs and cats transported or offered for sale; health requirements; consumer guarantee.--
(1)(a) For each dog transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the dog's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each dog transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each dog offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the dog is offered for sale in the state, unless the licensed, accredited veterinarian certifies on the official certificate of veterinary inspection that to inoculate or deworm the dog is not in the best medical interest of the dog, in which case the vaccine or anthelmintic may not be administered to that particular dog. Each dog must receive vaccines and anthelmintics against the following diseases and internal parasites:
1. Canine distemper.
2. Leptospirosis.
3. Bordetella (by intranasal inoculation or by an alternative method of administration if deemed necessary by the attending veterinarian and noted on the health certificate, which must be administered in this state once before sale).
4. Parainfluenza.
5. Hepatitis.
6. Canine parvo.
7. Rabies, provided the dog is over 3 months of age and the inoculation is administered by a licensed veterinarian.
8. Roundworms.
9. Hookworms.
If the dog is under 4 months of age, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered no more than 21 days before sale within the state. If the dog is 4 months of age or older, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered at or after 3 months of age, but no more than 1 year before sale within the state.
(2)(a) For each cat transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the cat's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each cat transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each cat offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the cat is offered for sal
by kaigranny on 18 August 2010 - 12:08
sorry - continued:
2)(a) For each cat transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the cat's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each cat transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each cat offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the cat is offered for sale in the state, unless the licensed, accredited veterinarian certifies on the official certificate of veterinary inspection that to inoculate or deworm the cat is not in the best medical interest of the cat, in which case the vaccine or anthelmintic may not be administered to that particular cat. Each cat must receive vaccines and anthelmintics against the following diseases and internal parasites:
1. Panleukopenia.
2. Feline viral rhinotracheitis.
3. Calici virus.
4. Rabies, if the cat is over 3 months of age and the inoculation is administered by a licensed veterinarian.
5. Hookworms.
6. Roundworms.
If the cat is under 4 months of age, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered no more than 21 days before sale within the state. If the cat is 4 months of age or older, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered at or after 3 months of age, but no more than 1 year before sale within the state.
(3)(a) Each dog or cat subject to subsection (1) or subsection (2) must be accompanied by a current official certificate of veterinary inspection at all times while being offered for sale within the state. The examining veterinarian must retain one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection on file for at least 1 year after the date of examination. At the time of sale of the animal, one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection must be given to the buyer. The seller must retain one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection on record for at least 1 year after the date of sale.
(b) The term "official certificate of veterinary inspection" means a legible certificate of veterinary inspection signed by the examining veterinarian licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, that shows the age, sex, breed, color, and health record of the dog or cat, the printed or typed names and addresses of the person or business from whom the animal was obtained, the consignor or seller, the consignee or purchaser, and the examining veterinarian, and the veterinarian's license number. The official certificate of veterinary inspection must list all vaccines and deworming medications administered to the dog or cat, including the manufacturer, vaccine, type, lot number, expiration date, and the dates of administration thereof, and must state that the examining veterinarian warrants that, to the best of his or her knowledge, the animal has no sign of contagious or infectious diseases and has no evidence of internal or external parasites, including coccidiosis and ear mites, but excluding fleas and ticks. The Department of Agriculture and Consume
2)(a) For each cat transported into the state for sale, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered no more than 30 days and no less than 14 days before the cat's entry into the state. The official certificate of veterinary inspection certifying compliance with this section must accompany each cat transported into the state for sale.
(b) For each cat offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the cat is offered for sale in the state, unless the licensed, accredited veterinarian certifies on the official certificate of veterinary inspection that to inoculate or deworm the cat is not in the best medical interest of the cat, in which case the vaccine or anthelmintic may not be administered to that particular cat. Each cat must receive vaccines and anthelmintics against the following diseases and internal parasites:
1. Panleukopenia.
2. Feline viral rhinotracheitis.
3. Calici virus.
4. Rabies, if the cat is over 3 months of age and the inoculation is administered by a licensed veterinarian.
5. Hookworms.
6. Roundworms.
If the cat is under 4 months of age, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered no more than 21 days before sale within the state. If the cat is 4 months of age or older, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered at or after 3 months of age, but no more than 1 year before sale within the state.
(3)(a) Each dog or cat subject to subsection (1) or subsection (2) must be accompanied by a current official certificate of veterinary inspection at all times while being offered for sale within the state. The examining veterinarian must retain one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection on file for at least 1 year after the date of examination. At the time of sale of the animal, one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection must be given to the buyer. The seller must retain one copy of the official certificate of veterinary inspection on record for at least 1 year after the date of sale.
(b) The term "official certificate of veterinary inspection" means a legible certificate of veterinary inspection signed by the examining veterinarian licensed by the state of origin and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, that shows the age, sex, breed, color, and health record of the dog or cat, the printed or typed names and addresses of the person or business from whom the animal was obtained, the consignor or seller, the consignee or purchaser, and the examining veterinarian, and the veterinarian's license number. The official certificate of veterinary inspection must list all vaccines and deworming medications administered to the dog or cat, including the manufacturer, vaccine, type, lot number, expiration date, and the dates of administration thereof, and must state that the examining veterinarian warrants that, to the best of his or her knowledge, the animal has no sign of contagious or infectious diseases and has no evidence of internal or external parasites, including coccidiosis and ear mites, but excluding fleas and ticks. The Department of Agriculture and Consume
by Kimmelot on 18 August 2010 - 18:08
Kai Granny , Did you read what you posted ? That is only the Florida puppy lemon law as concerning vaccination and parisites. I am certian that they have a One year Genetic clause like California does, do you think you can find that and post it ? Even if they did have a one year Genetic clause, it would be for defects that would cause the dog to be ill or die like a heart condition, liver problems, not for retained testicals or floppy ears. Having a retained testical will not cause cancer unless left that way for many (8-10) years, having testicals and not breeding can also cause testical cancer, having testicals and breeding can cause testical cancer... Having testicals= can have testical cancer.. end of story.
This dog was already 3 years old when it started having sezures, that is not covered by the puppy lemon law because of time. Had the dog started having sezures around 11 months old , then yes it would be , and the breeder would have 3 choices of how to deal with it. Give them a puppy to replace the defective puppy #1 and demand the sick puppy back, Give them another puppy and don't take the puppy back #2 , or refund the money that was paid for the dog #3. There has to be written by a Vet within 10 days a report, and a breeder would have the choice to have the dog seen at there own Vet. Most breeders have Guarantee's of what they will or will not do, and what they feel is there responciblity .
I myself refuse to pay vet bills, it is a choice on the new owner's part- not mine ( or a breeders) and if they feel on spending $250 a visit - it is beond my control and should not be imposed on me.
This dog was already 3 years old when it started having sezures, that is not covered by the puppy lemon law because of time. Had the dog started having sezures around 11 months old , then yes it would be , and the breeder would have 3 choices of how to deal with it. Give them a puppy to replace the defective puppy #1 and demand the sick puppy back, Give them another puppy and don't take the puppy back #2 , or refund the money that was paid for the dog #3. There has to be written by a Vet within 10 days a report, and a breeder would have the choice to have the dog seen at there own Vet. Most breeders have Guarantee's of what they will or will not do, and what they feel is there responciblity .
I myself refuse to pay vet bills, it is a choice on the new owner's part- not mine ( or a breeders) and if they feel on spending $250 a visit - it is beond my control and should not be imposed on me.
by kaigranny on 18 August 2010 - 18:08
Yes I read the statute prior to posting however I am sorry - I can't get the whole darn thing paste on here at one sitting - It looks like it's on but it's not - - but yes the statute covers only a year - however may be moot depending on where Alkarah's owner is located. I did say "for the future" - also if owner is in Florida and interested the owner can pull the statute it's online. Also the owner can check their particular state/county. here's a link to the entire chapter:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0828/titl0828.htm
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0828/titl0828.htm
by kaigranny on 18 August 2010 - 18:08
and just in case you can't find it:
(5) If, within 14 days following the sale by a pet dealer of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies that, at the time of the sale, the animal was unfit for purchase due to illness or disease, the presence of symptoms of a contagious or infectious disease, or the presence of internal or external parasites, excluding fleas and ticks; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies such animal to be unfit for purchase due to a congenital or hereditary disorder which adversely affects the health of the animal; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, the breed, sex, or health of such animal is found to have been misrepresented to the consumer, the pet dealer shall afford the consumer the right to choose one of the following options:
(5) If, within 14 days following the sale by a pet dealer of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies that, at the time of the sale, the animal was unfit for purchase due to illness or disease, the presence of symptoms of a contagious or infectious disease, or the presence of internal or external parasites, excluding fleas and ticks; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies such animal to be unfit for purchase due to a congenital or hereditary disorder which adversely affects the health of the animal; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, the breed, sex, or health of such animal is found to have been misrepresented to the consumer, the pet dealer shall afford the consumer the right to choose one of the following options:
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