genetics- strange litter colorwise........ - Page 2

Reading the responses on here is very interesting. Genetics is very confusing to me but I am completely intrigued by it. Especially since this new litter arrived lol......

Tweety, could these belong to the dog in your pedigree? 

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/396987.html

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/323036.html


www.akwskennels.com/Welcome1.html

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/613325.html

BeeTree, yes two of them are . Ones the sire actually. One of the links (second) wouldn't work. One is my dogs mother (Lakota) . I'm not sure what the website was. There are a lot of solid blacks in both pedigrees.So I was not surprised by the solids, just by how many there are.But then there are only 3females and 7 males too .....how did you know this? LoL

:( Another cart before the horse story.

Sam, don't blame yourself for putting the cart before the horse. I mean you couldn't possibly know that my father was a well respected breeder for years, and that I have bred dogs for years from the knowledge I got from him. German shepherd genetics are fairly new to me as my dad raised CH. Beagles and I raised english bulldogs. I have done research for GSD,but it is never written in stone. I really don't want a MB battle. Just wanting to compare notes with other breeders if its not asking too much.MY GSD is an autism therapy dog for my two sons that are autistic. So don't put the cart before the horse if you don't know peoples situations. I just signed up last night (although I have referred to the site for info for quite awhile) I don't want to regret it.

I apologize. Don't want to upset you. Welcome to the board. I'm not looking for an argument. It just seemed that you were not very knowledgable about the lines you are breeding. But you are right. Perhaps, I should learn to be silent while you learn about your breeding. Once again, I apologize.

Apology excepted. :) that means a lot. And I apologize as well. I realize there are those people that go off half cocked and just throw two dogs together to see what they get. We fell in love with the GS breed a long time ago, and even more so when we got our own. We have been out of the breeding for awhile (due to my sons diagnoses) but since they are older and we see how valuable the working lines are first hand we decided to breed her.She is 3 and this is her first litter and although we studied for quite awhile and expected a couple solid blacks, we were surprised to have 6 in same litter. Thanks again, and have a good 4th ! :) ( forgot to add we have a GSD breeder mentor that is a retired sheriff deputy with K 9 unit )

Thanks for every ones input. You guys have great looking dogs in your profile pics.

"what's more unusual is i have a grey sable who came from a bi color sire and a black mother or so I'm told.... I questioned it formthe time I bought her..... have to have a sable parent to get a sable puppy.. my geneticist friend saysit can't happe and I agree.. "


This could be explained if the black parent was in fact, *dominant* black.  There have been a few thread here depicting similar strange breeding results for blacks.  There is increasing anecdotal evidence for the presense of dominant black in the GSD. 

We just need one (or probably more than one) owner willing to fork out for a DNA analysis on a suspected dominant black, to ask Healthgene if they would persue this.

http://www.healthgene.com/

"dominant black" would not explain a sable pup from two parents that were not sable (at least one of them).

molly