What is a reasonable score for SChH ? - Page 2

i have to agree with hexe.  schh is not the be all - end all.  if points are really all that is important to you, you are welcome to it.  if you want to know what the dog is all about, you're going to have to look deeper than the scorebook.
pjp

Hook up with schutzhund clubs in your area, go to some trials, learn what it is about.  Don't rely on people to tell you what's good and what isn't.   You need to do homework and gain some first hand knowledge, before you buy a dog because you cannot learn what schutzhund really is over the Internet or from videos or from a book.  Also please be aware that if you buy a titled dog, it most likely won't work for you, no matter how good the dog is,  until you know what you are doing anyway.  It's not like a car, you must have a feeling for the dog and for schutzhund, otherwise  the dog will know that you do not know, will not respect you, and will  flip you the GSD version of the  proverbial bird, by punking you. 

Thanks everyone for the reply !!   i am learning more from every replies i get here. :)

When i am talking to different breeders from Germany who posted their dogs on this forum, that is usually what will happen:

1) when the dog receives high score, they said their dog is very good and demand very high price.
2) when the dog receives just passing score, they would say the score cannot really indication how good their dog turely is. The important thing is the dog passed the exam ( but if it is so simple, then SChH should just be pass or fail, rather than using points system, right? )
3) when i ask  too many questions (such as what didn't the dog do right in the show that resulted low score, why are they selling the dog, extra video), I don't get reply anymore..  I don't know if it is because they couldn't explain in such detail in English, or is there something they simply don't want to discuss..
4) local club I talked to wasn't helpful. they all discourage me from buying from Germany, and try to direct me to local kennels.

So only info i seems to be able to get from the breeder is the pink paper, few photos, SChH score, and occasionally video which i am not sure if it is updated...

please help

There were some nice dogs on the Taiwanese team at the WUSV last October.  Can you contact people in your country for assistance in either helping you find a nice dog already in Taiwan, or else in referring you to trustworthy people in Germany?

 TessJ10,

I wouldn't be able to get my hands on a good one in Taiwan.
Some friends of mine had brought from kennels which actively show their dogs. Unfortunately, many of them had problems like their pick from the litter was changed,  or was told the one they selected was dead (but probably the kennel thinks that is a better puppy and decide to keep it for their breeding program. That doesn't only apply to GSD... 

That is why when i was looking up on internet, i found out i could buy directly from Germany. But I don't have any friend who had done so and have no reference. 

Oh, you are in Taiwan and want to buy a sch titled showline dog ight unseen over the internet?No wonder, when you dig deeper and ask more questions, the guys in Germany stop responding.

Contact alpinek9.com or Nate Harves, sportwaffen.com and tell them in an email of your needs, they may be able to help you, or they may direct you to soebody who can. They key here is trustworthy breeder.

There are many stories about people buying "titled sch dogs", and the dogs were the biggest deadheads who didn't know basic stuff once they arrived and money exchanged hands.

babyblue- why not start with a promsing young dog and train it yourself? Even if your scores are not great, you will learn SO much, and the knowledge will go a long way when you buy yourself other dogs later.

babyblue, some things that you will eventually come to know if you get very deep into the GSD.

1. as stated above, a Sch. title is absolutely no indication of a sch. trained dog.

2. Character is often not the first criteria in S/L dogs. Most often type and side gait are the first items on the list. It will vary with the breeder what emphasis, if any, is placed on character.

3. There are very highly placed VA dogs who are not noted for having or passing on great character, but they are great show dogs. 

4. The only way to be absolutely certain you get the dog you want is to go and evaluate personally or have very good contacts. I would much rather spend the extra dollars and see the dog myself. 

good luck,

Rik 

"I would much rather spend the extra dollars and see the dog myself."

That's true, except that if you don't know a lot about SchH, you still could be tricked.  I'm not sure how much the OP knows about SchH work (forgive me if you're well experienced), but if you don't know a lot, you could be shown some mediocre bite work and told here's a fabulous dog....

Babyblue2010, If you are serious about buying a titled showline, please PM me. I will give you a contact info of a man who belongs to the SV. He is a very nice man and deals with only well known kennels. He lives in Germany. I have never heard of a complaint from him and is well regarded figure over there. Keep in mind that a pup will cost anywhere from 800-1200 euros and shipping for a pup is around 450+ euros., the price is the min. Titled females/males run around 3000 and up and shipping around 700-900 euros. Kind regards, John Kennedy