Breed Surveys, Do You Have a Dog Like This? - Page 2

So .....  is it a RULE that the first one must be done at 2 years?  Or do most people just do it at 2 because the second must be done after 3?  In other words ....... can you do the first at 3 and the second at 5? 

This is a great thread as this is obviously a weak link for me. ;)

I'm not aware of this rule.  My dog's dam did her first one last summer and I believe she was five or six and was KKL1.  Many show lines are done at two because the titling is just a means to an end, the breed survey and breeding the dog, so they simply want the dog titled and surveyed as quickly as possible.  But I've never heard that you HAVE to enter the first breed survey at age two...only that you have to wait a certain amount of time between the first one and the lifetime.

I'm sure this is a weak area for many. It was for me until a day or so ago. The rules changed along the way and I missed it. Here's some answers:

Sheri,

Hi Sheri, Been awhile, How are you? I think many people are not aware there is an age cutoff which is why I started this thread. A 3 year old dog cannot get a bred survey if it did not get a show rating between the age of 1 and 2 years old because there is no show rating awarded after a dog turns 2 years old. The dog is done at two. It cannot be breed surveyed without a show rating and it can't get a show rating after it turns two, game over, end of story.

Jim,

You are correct. You can title a dog before it is two years old and if there is a show between the time it get's the title and it turns two, you might be OK. You may need to fly across the country ship your dog and join another organization to do it, but it MAY be possible if you jump through enough hoops and spend enough money. The key here is you have to have the show rating done before the dog turns two or it never will be able to get a breed survey.

Steve 1,

In europe the rules are clear and there's a better understanding of what's required. In the US the information is not as well known as I think you will see through the responses here. There are many that spend their time training for the title thinking they can do the show rating later.

Judron,

By all means enter the show. It may be your last chance as there are only 2 USA events and 4 WDA events in this country before your dog is too old to be shown and he looses his opportunity to breed survey forever.

Liesjers,

You are correct and you know the rules. I'm not sure all do.

Wolfinbok, Sheri, and Liesjers

There is no limit on the breed survey, only the show rating you need to get the breed survey. If your dog turns 2 without a show rating, it can never be breed surveyed as there is no class that offers a recognized show rating after a dog turns two years old.

I have no magic power with either organization. I tend to believe if there is a problem that's affecting the breed, they will look into the solution. The WDA has already responded to my e mail, but we're not sure if it's something that's a problem that needs fixing. Does anyone have a specific dog that's affected? I need examples.

OK that makes sense now, I did not think about it that way, that once the dog is two it will not receive a rating in the Open class (when it's even offered).  It also explains why so many two year olds breed survey, since to be "working class" the dog must be two AND have a title so why not breed survey as well?  But there are people like me who's dog does have an SG rating from before two years old who will title when the dog is ready (maybe 2, maybe 4, who knows?) and then breed survey.

Was the original question more of a wake up call for those with dogs nearly two that have not yet shown?

Liesjers
I think over here once you have Korclassed the Dog you must then redo it two years later for the Korclasse is viable for two years only, then if all goes well then it is for life
Steve1

I believe that a dog must breed-surveyed by the age of 3.5 years in order to receive a V rating in a working class.

The first breed survey is completed anytime during the calendar year in which a titled dog (with a show ratinng) reaches the age of 2.

OK ........ So i think I figured out from this where the hole is in my edgamacation.    Is it that in order to enter an Open class the dogs needs both a title and a previous show rating?  

Being new to all of this, this thread has been enlightening. But let me see if I understand...So does this mean that my three year old male who I have just started in Sch, and haven't gotten a BH on yet, cannot get a breed survey now?
Sorry I am completely ignorant to this. I had no idea about those rules :-/
If so, that is very disappointing! 
Stacy

If someone could clarify, I have a working line bitch who will be two in October.  She is getting ready for her BH & SchH1 in June / July.  If I don't show her in a conformation show by October when she turns two, then she can't be breed surveyed?

Stacy,
of course your dog can get a breed survey. If a dog is not shown before turning two years old, it just means that you now have to wait until the dog has at least a SchH1. Once that is done, you may enter in the working class without a breed survey and get a rating. If the dog is over 3 and a half years old, he can not get a V-rating without a survey. But a lot of workingline dogs won't get that rating anyway, due to structural limitations. A G-rating or better is sufficient to count for a breed survey.
Here are the regulations: germanshepherddog.com/regulations/guidelines_for_hosting_a_conformation_show.htm (please check 4.1.1.)
or
germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_survey_regulations.htm (please check 3.7.)
The so-called open class (adult untitled) rating would not be recognized as a show rating, but it is not new - it never has been. I think that is what Randy is referring to. A lot of people here in the U.S. are not aware of that.
My female was just shown in the working class at 2 and a half years and she had previously not been shown. She got her V-rating and this will now qualify her to go to a breed survey next month.
Workingline people in Germany usually get their youth or young dog rating and then won't bother with the working class ratings since they do not care for shows. They do it to get their dogs breed surveyed. But dogs in Germany usually get titled before they turn two years old.