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Prager

by Prager on 31 March 2010 - 17:03

TessJ10
 I have not say that all dogs get that way  I used words like: most likely  and in 80%+- females. 
 You are asking ; Where this came from?
It cam from
my experience of being around dogs and observing them , studying them and living with them  for 44 years and talking to my vet friends in Czech rep.  It is a public secret amongst vets.
In almost 100% of cases I can look at the dog who was neutered 5 or often less years ago, walking 50 ft away from me and just by the  way the dog moves and looks  I'll be able to tell you if it  is spayed or neutered.
 Prager Hans


by TessJ10 on 31 March 2010 - 17:03

Right, I know you didn't say all, that you said "most," and I still questioned the most.  I, too, have lived with dogs for actually 45 years now (beat you by 1, LOL!), and, as you can see by reading other posts, there are others on here who have also seen neutered dogs without the obesity and other issues.  I remember when everybody used to say, "she's fat because she's spayed."  You don't hear that so much anymore.  Why?  Because people now understand that the dog was fat not because she was spayed, but because she got zero exercise and because the people fed her 6 cups of dog food a day, like it said on the dog food bag, plus tons of people snacks, instead of the 2 cups a day the dog actually needed.

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 31 March 2010 - 17:03

I agree with you Prager.  I've seen it many times.

wlpool

by wlpool on 31 March 2010 - 17:03

I agree with both sides.  I have spayed and neutered many before and there are "consequences" for doing it.  Sometimes it is done because of lifestyle or not being able to control the situation.  Like if you give a dog away and don't want it bred, but can't be there to manage the fact that you don't want it bred.  If you own animals indoors of opposite sexes and don't want to kennel or separate via crate.  I personally don't do it unless I have to because of the situation.  But, do see the importance of doing it if the circumstance requires it. 
I think that it should be a personal decision and you seem to be trying to get all of the information to make it.  Good luck with your decision and future endeavors with him.  I and looks like all of us are pulling for you! 

nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

Not to be rude here, but could someone please read my reply posted earlier and answer my question about German conformation judging. I am sure someone here knows that answer. I am just curious as to the answer..

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

Nonacona60,
Yes, in a German style conformation show the judge will inspect the teeth and the testicles.  He will at the least look and many will actually touch the testicles.

Jim

Prager

by Prager on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

Tess
 the problem is that most people can not even tell that their dog is fat and most people can not gauge how would the dog, his muscles and his bone structure  look  and his drive and protection level be if he/she would not be spayed / neutered. I have a male here now who had to be neutered for medical reasons. We cut his food to one to two cup a  day and I am skipping feeding him 1 x per week. He is having very active life around horses. But I thing I could serve a 3 course meal on his back. He was in perfectly  lean shape until this time. 4 months after he got neutered he started to gain weight. 
  I have heard that people say that it is a matter of exercises, but it is not. Yes the dog could be neutered and have extra weight also because of lack of exercise and too much food but after loss due to this effect there is a major residual problem left.  I am sure that my poor dog Boss could be starved and run 10 miles per day and he would die of starvation while still overweight.
As I said  I can look at the dog who was neutered 5 or often less years ago, walking 50 ft away from me and just by the way the dog moves and looks I'll be able to tell you if it is spayed or neutered in just about 99-100% of the time. Especially if neutered in early in the life.
 Test me.
 Prager Hans 

GSDoogieMom10

by GSDoogieMom10 on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

Thanks guys for the helpful information and opinions.. I do plan on trying him out with other sports and I dont plan on him getting obese, LoL.. I feel a shepherd should be a lean mean working machine, they are by no means supposed to be pudgy unless u have a pregnant or nursing  female.. I appreciate all of you..

CrysBuck25

by CrysBuck25 on 31 March 2010 - 18:03

I haven't observed quite enough dogs to say one way or the other, Hans, never having thought of it in these terms, but Oakley was spayed at nine weeks of age, before I picked her up, and she's far from fat.  I can easily say that because I know what fat dogs look like.  Her back two ribs can be seen when she's panting, or when she puts her head down to eat or drink.  She has reasonable muscle tone and is a healthy strong dog.  She's eating about three cups of food to maintain condition, although if we do some hard exercise, I'll give a half cup more or so to compensate.

I have been careful, so careful, to watch her weight and keep her healthy, despite family members whose opinions are that my dog "is young, and should have a nice, thick layer of fat on her"...Nice for a two week old pup, I guess, but not my growing GSD.

Will she have weight issues when she's older, due to hormonal issues?  Perhaps. 

I was wondering, though...The dog you have that you only feed one cup per day, six days per week, and he's still hugely overweight...I assume you've had him tested for thyroid issues? 

I don't like altering, either...But it's better than having litters of pups from questionable mixtures because someone else's dog got over, under, or through your fence, window screens, or whatever else...

Crys

mollyandjack

by mollyandjack on 31 March 2010 - 19:03

A lot of research has been done on whether it is "safe" for a dog to be altered as young as 8 weeks (apparently, it is?? according to some articles - but then, what do they mean by safe), but not much has been done for whether it is optimal for the dog. There's probably not much incentive for that kind of research.

Using PubMed, you can find various commentary/review articles (for those nerdy nerdy people like me), but there are no randomized controlled trials on this subject...that I can find.






 


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