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by ZIN on 06 March 2010 - 16:03
OK FEELING BETTER NOW THANKS FOR THE INPUT. I CAN HANDLE MOST OF IT ANYWAYS I REALLY DON'T CARE TO FEED MY DOGS OUTSIDE IN THE WINTER IN A WHEELCHAIR BUT I CAN FIGURE SOMERTHING OUT I GUESS.
LIKE I SAID I HAVE 3 DAUGHTERS AND MY WIFE I AM CONVINCING THAT RAW WILL BE JUST FINE SO THANK YOU FOR THE HELP.
PS, CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY THE TIME BY MY AVATAR SAYS PM?
ALSO IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE AN EMAIL SENT TO ME WHEN SOMEONE REPLYS TO MY THREADS? TY
LIKE I SAID I HAVE 3 DAUGHTERS AND MY WIFE I AM CONVINCING THAT RAW WILL BE JUST FINE SO THANK YOU FOR THE HELP.
PS, CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY THE TIME BY MY AVATAR SAYS PM?
ALSO IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE AN EMAIL SENT TO ME WHEN SOMEONE REPLYS TO MY THREADS? TY
by sueincc on 06 March 2010 - 16:03
Something else you can do is get those large flexible plastic cutting board mats like this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y8G8ZE/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000Y8G8TA&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=15CVD197ZN6GXPVSPR00
and place the dogs dish on it when you feed the dog. This way it might be easier to clean since you would only have to pick it up and clean it along with the dogs dish after the dog eats, rather than having to mop the floor. Of course you can find these at stores like Target too.
by hodie on 06 March 2010 - 16:03
Making sure you are careful about handling raw meats, whether feeding dogs or people, is important. All possibly contaminated surfaces SHOULD be disinfected routinely and pay attention so that you do not cross-contaminate yourself or surfaces.
For what it is worth, proper disinfection comes from considering a variety of factors such as the nature of the disinfectant itself (there are many types of disinfectants and one has to know what organisms they are effective against), time of contact, temperature, surface to be disinfected and the amount of organic matter present etc.
Bleach diluted properly is a good disinfectant for many organisms, however, it is NOT a very good choice for metal surfaces because it corrodes metal. So therefore, if you are not careful, you will have tiny areas being corroded in your bowls and metal countertops. Though you may not be able to see this, it does give bacteria a "hiding place".
If you do use a dilute bleach solution, a one part bleach to 10 part water solution will work for most pathogens. But, you should be allowing 10 minutes of contact time. Also, be sure to thoroughly rinse with clean water to get rid of any excess bleach solution on pans, counters etc.
There is a huge difference between "cleaning" with hot, soapy water, and disinfection by the way, or sterilization. Hot soapy water is probably good enough in many situations. In my kennel, all bowls are stainless steel and washed after every meal in a sanitizing dishwasher. But the facility floors, kennels etc., are disinfected routinely with a special disinfectant (from a class of disinfectants called quaternary ammonium compounds) that is effective against a wide range of organisms that would cause disease in a kennel environment.
For what it is worth, proper disinfection comes from considering a variety of factors such as the nature of the disinfectant itself (there are many types of disinfectants and one has to know what organisms they are effective against), time of contact, temperature, surface to be disinfected and the amount of organic matter present etc.
Bleach diluted properly is a good disinfectant for many organisms, however, it is NOT a very good choice for metal surfaces because it corrodes metal. So therefore, if you are not careful, you will have tiny areas being corroded in your bowls and metal countertops. Though you may not be able to see this, it does give bacteria a "hiding place".
If you do use a dilute bleach solution, a one part bleach to 10 part water solution will work for most pathogens. But, you should be allowing 10 minutes of contact time. Also, be sure to thoroughly rinse with clean water to get rid of any excess bleach solution on pans, counters etc.
There is a huge difference between "cleaning" with hot, soapy water, and disinfection by the way, or sterilization. Hot soapy water is probably good enough in many situations. In my kennel, all bowls are stainless steel and washed after every meal in a sanitizing dishwasher. But the facility floors, kennels etc., are disinfected routinely with a special disinfectant (from a class of disinfectants called quaternary ammonium compounds) that is effective against a wide range of organisms that would cause disease in a kennel environment.
by Slamdunc on 06 March 2010 - 16:03
Zin,
I can appreciate the challenges being in a wheelchair present to you. It seems you are doing very well caring for your dogs. I don't know the setup of your house or how many dogs you have. For me it is easy and convenient to feed in the garage, where I also have kennels or outside where I have kennels. Plus, I don't get any snow here to speak of. I have two GSD's that I feed raw. My female will take the leg quarters out of the dish and eat them next to the bowl on the floor. My male will take the 1 1/2 lb quarters and run through the house into the den or living room and eat them there. I add yogurt and cottage cheese to their food (whole milk 4% fat) and sometimes a vegetable puree along with chop meat and liver (either beef or chicken livers). The male will dig through the yogurt or liver and meat and sling his leg quarter out onto the floor. Then he will eat that first. So, for me eating inside is not an option with that knucklehead. When I feed in the garage in the kennels, which are 6' x 6' chain link, I mop the floor afterwards with Clorox and water. This works well for me. If I needed to feed inside, I would crate the dog or watch them so they didn't run through the house with a chicken quarter in their mouth. I may also consider cutting the chicken into legs and thighs, so the pieces weren't so big and there would be less reason to leave with it.
Feeding raw seems like a daunting task at first, but once you get it down it's really easy and so much better for the dogs.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Jim
I can appreciate the challenges being in a wheelchair present to you. It seems you are doing very well caring for your dogs. I don't know the setup of your house or how many dogs you have. For me it is easy and convenient to feed in the garage, where I also have kennels or outside where I have kennels. Plus, I don't get any snow here to speak of. I have two GSD's that I feed raw. My female will take the leg quarters out of the dish and eat them next to the bowl on the floor. My male will take the 1 1/2 lb quarters and run through the house into the den or living room and eat them there. I add yogurt and cottage cheese to their food (whole milk 4% fat) and sometimes a vegetable puree along with chop meat and liver (either beef or chicken livers). The male will dig through the yogurt or liver and meat and sling his leg quarter out onto the floor. Then he will eat that first. So, for me eating inside is not an option with that knucklehead. When I feed in the garage in the kennels, which are 6' x 6' chain link, I mop the floor afterwards with Clorox and water. This works well for me. If I needed to feed inside, I would crate the dog or watch them so they didn't run through the house with a chicken quarter in their mouth. I may also consider cutting the chicken into legs and thighs, so the pieces weren't so big and there would be less reason to leave with it.
Feeding raw seems like a daunting task at first, but once you get it down it's really easy and so much better for the dogs.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Jim
by sueincc on 06 March 2010 - 16:03
ZIN: I have no clue about the time shown. Look on the left hand side, scroll down, then click on "RSS feed" if you want email notifications sent to you.
by ZIN on 06 March 2010 - 17:03
JUST FOR GIGGLES I THOUGHT I WOULD SHOW YOU MY GARAGE...
I DO HAVE A LAUNDRY / STORAGE ROOM IN THE BASEMENT I THINK I CAN MAKE WORK BUT I DO THANK EVERYONE ESPECIALLY YOU SLAMDUNK FOR YOUR PATIENTS AND EVERYONR ELSE. I AM READY TO ROLL !!
I DO HAVE A LAUNDRY / STORAGE ROOM IN THE BASEMENT I THINK I CAN MAKE WORK BUT I DO THANK EVERYONE ESPECIALLY YOU SLAMDUNK FOR YOUR PATIENTS AND EVERYONR ELSE. I AM READY TO ROLL !!
by Nans gsd on 06 March 2010 - 17:03
Zin: I also just started raw and what I do is feed in their crates then I pickup all bowls and water buckets and wash with soap and very hot water and let drain dry in sink. I take a clean cloth with water and a spray bottle of bleach/water solution and wipe down crates with that. Really easy, really fast, I too am in a wheelchair and I use a long handle mop and rag to wash crates down. Really simple, really fast, not too hard of work. My crates pans are plastic so not a big mess or anything; when I did feed raw before one of my females used to take the chicken and shake it and toss it before she ate it like she had to kill it first. THAT WAS A MESS. I am smarter now; you can also feed on an old sheet or towel then pick and put is laundry after feeding. Many ways to simplify the job; do what is easiest for yourself as far as clean up afterwards.
Other than that don't worry too much no one I know has gotten sick from raw feeding; I of course wash my hands with soap and water afterwards and anything I touched in the kitchen just like if I was preparing my own food; wash sink, countertops and utensils that were used. Quite easy and fast; maybe 15 minutes and I am feeding 5 dogs raw.
PS: as far as feeding the 50/50 kibble in am raw in PM; my dogs (a couple) don't want to eat their kibble now; tells you that they would much prefer the raw. Hah...
Other than that don't worry too much no one I know has gotten sick from raw feeding; I of course wash my hands with soap and water afterwards and anything I touched in the kitchen just like if I was preparing my own food; wash sink, countertops and utensils that were used. Quite easy and fast; maybe 15 minutes and I am feeding 5 dogs raw.
PS: as far as feeding the 50/50 kibble in am raw in PM; my dogs (a couple) don't want to eat their kibble now; tells you that they would much prefer the raw. Hah...
by Slamdunc on 06 March 2010 - 18:03
Zin,
Very nice garage. I'm jealous. I would feed in there if I were you. I only have a two car garage and 1 side has the indoor kennels for my dogs and my exercise equipment. I was planning on epoxying my garage floor much like yours. How bad were the fumes? That is what is holding me back, I heard the fumes can be bad for a while.
BTW, nice reef tank. I had a 180 gallon reef for years and spawned clown fish and raised them. My filtration was plumbed through the walls and into my basement. I had several vats and all of my filtration in the basement, large protein skimmers and a separate vat for automatic water changes. I had a 4' diameter vat linked into the system with Metal halide pendants and you could look don into into, it was gorgeous. I think the whole system was around 500 gallons. My wife didn't know I had cut through the oak floors to run my 1 1/2 PVC pipe into the basement for quite some time. She found out when we moved and I sold the tank, corals and fish. I would like to set up another tank but my wife won't agree to the 300 gallon I want to do in the den, plus no basements here for the filtration setup I want.
Jim
Very nice garage. I'm jealous. I would feed in there if I were you. I only have a two car garage and 1 side has the indoor kennels for my dogs and my exercise equipment. I was planning on epoxying my garage floor much like yours. How bad were the fumes? That is what is holding me back, I heard the fumes can be bad for a while.
BTW, nice reef tank. I had a 180 gallon reef for years and spawned clown fish and raised them. My filtration was plumbed through the walls and into my basement. I had several vats and all of my filtration in the basement, large protein skimmers and a separate vat for automatic water changes. I had a 4' diameter vat linked into the system with Metal halide pendants and you could look don into into, it was gorgeous. I think the whole system was around 500 gallons. My wife didn't know I had cut through the oak floors to run my 1 1/2 PVC pipe into the basement for quite some time. She found out when we moved and I sold the tank, corals and fish. I would like to set up another tank but my wife won't agree to the 300 gallon I want to do in the den, plus no basements here for the filtration setup I want.
Jim
by hodie on 06 March 2010 - 18:03
Jim,
I am jealous of the reef tank. I had a small one once when I was not on a well and I absolutely loved it. All the neighborhood kids did too. However, I thought more about how the reefs of the world are dying and how my "hobby" was contributing to people going out and dynamiting reefs to grab corals etc., and I decided I could not justify doing it, despite the pleasure it gave me.
I bet your wife was not happy about your creativity!! And damn, those metal halide lamps were expensive...as was conditioning the water I used......
Take care.
I am jealous of the reef tank. I had a small one once when I was not on a well and I absolutely loved it. All the neighborhood kids did too. However, I thought more about how the reefs of the world are dying and how my "hobby" was contributing to people going out and dynamiting reefs to grab corals etc., and I decided I could not justify doing it, despite the pleasure it gave me.
I bet your wife was not happy about your creativity!! And damn, those metal halide lamps were expensive...as was conditioning the water I used......
Take care.
by ZIN on 06 March 2010 - 19:03
Everything about a reef tank is expensive..lol But man they are beautiful thats for sure. As for the epoxy floor the fumes are only when you paint there is no long term issue after it dries. If you ever do your floor it's all in thre prep and don;t ever think theepoxy from Lowes and such will hold up because it won't. Get comercial product and pay the price and do it once and be done. Ever need to know more feel free to ask me. Thanks for the compliments
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