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by yoshy on 04 March 2010 - 00:03
Hey Jim,
Long time. How about instead of pictures we break down short films/ video clips?
Be interesting to see the varied opinions on the same videos.
Maybe even throw in some untitled dogs and some titled ones vs patrol dogs and such.
Not just to stir the fire but also to maybe pickup a new detail or such that may otherwise go un-noticed.
Lee
by bgstout on 04 March 2010 - 00:03

by bgstout on 04 March 2010 - 00:03

by Slamdunc on 04 March 2010 - 00:03
That how this whole thing started, from reviewing a video some one posted. It was a great video, with a great dog and great training and the thread went down in flames.
Bgstout,
That's an awesome picture.
Here's me working some dogs, all fear biters, all insecure because the ears are down.




Just making a point that you can't always read a dog by the ears. I think all of these dogs would definitely bite, I know they would. There is not an insecure bone in any of these dogs. f I need to I can post more pictures, I'll keep including some of me just so I can clear up the rest of the confusion some people have.
FWIW,
Jim

by Ninja181 on 04 March 2010 - 00:03
Later I found out he was just signaling that he was turning.
by HBFanatic on 04 March 2010 - 00:03
I am trying to explain that although there are outwards signs like facial expressions, body posture and so on, what really makes the biggest difference to me is the presence of a dog. The overall look.
Most any dog can look fearful, strong, insecure, obstinant or whatever else in a split second picture. Another reason why it is so hard to make any comments on pics. Vids sure give a bit better idea but stil, nothing beats real eyes on a dog and real long time experience working with them to put it all together.
But the more people think themselves trainers and have access to training, books and videos have to stick with a clear line so that the everyday person has a guide. What in my opinion they do not stress enough is that nothing is ever written in stone when it comes to animals.
Just my two cents worth though! LOL
by RONNIERUNCO on 04 March 2010 - 01:03

by Slamdunc on 04 March 2010 - 01:03


by Slamdunc on 04 March 2010 - 01:03
I am also a pet owner that loves my pets, just like you.
Ninja,
LOL.
Hbfanatic,
I just had that argument with a friend. He is wanting for me to tell him how to judge a dog by outwards signs.
I am trying to explain that although there are outwards signs like facial expressions, body posture and so on, what really makes the biggest difference to me is the presence of a dog. The overall look.
The overall look is exactly right. You can't judge a dog based on one signal or one split second. You have to look at the whole dog and read all of the signs the dog is showing you. You can read the dog by taking the sum of all the signs and putting them together to interpret what the dog is telling you. If you take one signal out of context you will get the entirely wrong message.
Jim

by vonissk on 04 March 2010 - 01:03
I don't know enough to bash trainers..................the only people I bash are people pumping out puppies, people who sit on a couch and do nothing with their dogs and when you try to tell them anything they are unable to listen with an open mind.......................people that breed weird colors and no health checks............and just against the standard in general.
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