More of these every day!!!! - Page 2

I  just would like to know why people are against Ceasar.    I really think he is good.   He does not use harsh training and he goes with more dog psychology and being the pack leader.   Which is good stuff, I think anyway.  Being passive agressive.  I don't know... I know people on here know more than I do.   I just like that way he is able to handle agressive dogs.   You know his saying.. No dog is to much for me.   So, that is the only reason I suggested to contact him.  Let's put him to the test. 

You get that he has an editing room with boatloads of clipped vid on the floor, right? The parts where he gives the dogs hell? Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE that he can fix a dog right up in 30 minutes, not counting commercials? 

Dodie...

A lot of the people here think that Cesar uses abusive methods off camera and then plays the nice guy on camera..TV stuff.  He also did some stuff with PETA, I heard, and that does not bode well on this board, either.

That said, I like Cesar's approach, and I used it with Oakley...There's nothing I worry about from her, and we both know where we stand in this relationship we have.  I never greet her when she's excited, and wait for her to settle before paying her attention.  She's very well behaved for the most part, and I'm very proud of her...Cesar's approach worked for me, no abuse needed.  I have an excellent relationship with my doggie....DOn't get me wrong...We do play rough sometimes...jumping, wrestling, all that over the top stuff, but when I'm ready to settle, she does too...She reads me like a book.

Cesar's methods wouldn't work for everyone, but they work for me.  No reason for a dog not to have respect for his handler, in my book.  I don't hold with beating respect from a dog...That's fear not respect.  I believe that if you approach the dog with a good mental picture of what you expect from the dog, you'll get what you expect from him, good or bad.

I have never raised a Schutzhund dog or a PPD, though, so I should make that clear.  The rules are different for them, i know, though it makes sense that your dog should always respect you, regardless of what you've trained him for.

Just my opinion, mind all of you>;-)

Crys

...and you've done one heck of a job with your dog, too, Crys. You did what most of us would not have had the courage to do. 

Im with you vom M on that one.I was just trying to explain to someone else about Cesar.He has a good publisist that hypes him up.Just like Monty Roberts the "Horse Wisperer" i have met him in person and I wasn't impressed. Cesar doesn't "train" dogs persay. What you see on TV isn't always true. I am sure there are many cuts and retakes and who knows what is done to get the behavior out of the dog.He is all about the $$. The shelter here tried to get a grant from him and he wouldn't give it to them cause his face wasn't plastered all over the place and they didn't have an education program on neutering. Screw that they have a had enough time getting the dogs cared for you think that they have the time to have educational programs? If they could get the funds to get the new building that is desperatly needed then maybe they could have a program. I find him quite full of him self. Hell the man doesn't even know how to spell Chihuahua....it is from his own country!!
JMO

Caesar is nothing special and on the same note, Victoria is a nutcase. She had some poor woman eating her cereal out of a dog bowl in front of her dog to show she was dominant.


Steph, it just sucks out there, doesn't it?

I place a LOT of blame on breeders. Why the HELL aren't they taking their dogs back? I require the return of any dog I bred in my contract. It may not stop everyone, but I make it clear I will take back any dog, any age, with any issues, no questions asked. This only after a rigorous screening process in which I make it blatantly clear to the what owning, raising, training and maintaining a GSD is really all about. 

How can you look at those beautful, trusting, puppies and watch them leave without a second glance or the slightest care in regards to the rest of its life and what becomes of it? I just don't get it.

If you can't commit to taking it back at any time, don't breed it. Period.

 Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE that he can fix a dog right up in 30 minutes, not counting commercials?

Sorry to drag this off topic, but yes, I DO!  I"ve seen it done, both with dogs and horses.

The DOG is easy...it's fixing the OWNER that's hard!

Who is Victoria, BTW?  I"d like a last name so I can avoid her. We don't get all the programs you guys get in the States. It's only within the last couple of months that I've been able to watch Cesar, and see what all the fuss is about.

I have stated this many times, and I will do so again. Practically EVERY breeder whose web site or contract I have ever seen states they will take the dog back if something does not work out. In reality ALMOST NONE DO. I could name them in my state who say this. I have had dogs from some of them in my rescue program over the years, and when contacted by me or someone else about the dog (sometimes very young), only one would take the dog back. So it just isn't reality to think that the breeders will self-police themselves. They are not going to do it for any reason. And even if they won't admit it, for most, it is about money.

Furthermore, all too many breeders, some of whom have posted here on this forum, will say that they cannot/willnot take dogs back. Their argument is that it is no longer their responsibility. But really, most are too busy breeding and importing their next litter and they never seem to have room.

Very, very few breeders I know in my area have ever given one cent to a rescue or a shelter. In fact, I know of someone who was on a committee associated with the State kennel authorities here, and on her web site, she stated that out of EVERY litter she donated the price of one pup to a shelter or rescue. Guess what......of course, she never did that either.

As for Ceasar Milan.....he is a showman and he is about one thing as well and that is money. I think there are a few problems I could fix in 10-30 minutes with a given dog, but it would certainly depend on what the problem was. There are MANY problems that he deals with on his shows that are absolutely NOT going to be fixed on the show. Hence, yes, he is mixing cuts, editing, retaking over time and then seemingly, voila, the dog is fixed. We don't see how often the dog regresses bacjk to the original problematic behavior. If one knows anything about dogs, they should know that a dog will often regress back to what it first learned. We see this all the time where someone in SchH makes a mistake in how they teach something, and under stress, or distraction, for example, the dog does not do what it had just learned, but regresses and does what it had been doing before. One does not fix most of the problems that I see on his shows in a short time because they are well entrenched behaviors. I have watched many of his shows shaking my head. Many of the problems he shows take many sessions to make better, even for an accomplished trainer.

Victoria, apparently from the UK, is a joke. I don't know what her last name is, sorry Sunsilver. She would make a lot of money too spewing pet psychic stuff. Come to think of it, Steph, maybe that is what you and I need to try. 

But yes, it is more often than not, also a problem with the owners who are clueless, have no consistency and sometimes have no brain either. All too often the problem could have been fixed or stopped before it became a huge issue, if they simply used some common sense, but that does not exist in many people.

Yes, hodie, most problems take time to fix. I was talking about something simple, like pulling on the leash, which can be fixed in about 10 minutes with an experience trainer and some treats or a toy to get the dog to focus on the handler and stop pulling.

I wish you could have seen my riding instructor get up on a spoiled horse, and, within 10 minutes, have it doing almost EXACTLY what he wanted, while we watched with our mouths hanging open...  No gimmicks, no tricks, no punishment beyond maybe a whack with the crop for ignoring the leg aids. But he'd had 8 years training at a Hungarian Cavalry school, and 3 years in the Spanish Riding School, so he really knew what he was doing!