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by TessJ10 on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
SchH1 means it has the title
(SchH1) means maybe it does not?
Yikes.
I'd hope that on the pdb if SchH1, 2, or 3 is listed anywhere in conjunction with a dog's name that means that dog has already earned that title. Anything else is unethical.
by Keith Grossman on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
The AD is not a prerequisite for schutzhund titles; it is a prerequisite for the Körung.
by eichenluft on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
Keith beat me to it. AD is NOT a prerequisite for Schh titles. BH is. Breeding a dog with BH and claiming it is a title would be "not too honest" - a breeder to watch out for. Best to just breed the dog and admit it's being bred without a title, than lie about titles it does not have. And yes, when you see a title as (Schh1) it usually means "pending title". Such as my dog Brix is HGH (Schh1) - he will get his Schh1 this year, but does not have it yet.
molly
by mnm on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
And yes Tess, that's what I mean...(in parenthesis) is not titled yet.
Adding to Molly's response, the HGH is a working title and is accepted in place of a SchH title for breeding requirements.
Marsha Seck
by TessJ10 on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
Thanks for telling me that, eichenluft and mnm. I had no idea. Still seems misleading to me - you know he's not titled because you don't put a title after his name! There's no need for the ( ) stuff, right? No title, no letters. So everybody knows he's not titled already, the ( ) is just a way to be allowed to put a SchH1 after a dog's name who hasn't got one, is how it appears to me.
And too many people (not saying you two) do that all the time - actually it was just talked about here recently - "going to get her SchH1 in 2008 for sure!" Yeah, right. And here it is 2 years later and still no title. But it's pending!
The only time I'm used to seeing "pending" titles is AKC, when you have completed all the requirements for a Championship or an Obedience title, you list CH (pending) or CDX (pending) until you get official notification from AKC that the title is confirmed. You're telling people he's earned his title, it's done, but it's not official until I get the certificate from AKC, therefore I list it as "pending" until that time. Which is a totally different thing from no, we don't have any titles but we will someday in the future. Which of course there are no guarantees for that.
by eichenluft on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
molly
by MaxBear on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
Should and do not these Titles set the price range of Pup's from these Breeders should be? Why would someone breed dogs that are not titled or breedworthy tested? (Other then money of course). So what would an Ethical Breeder consider the "Minimum Standard/Titles" before breeding? Thanks!
by schutzhundfan on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
If it doesn't have it don't add it.
RUN AWAY FROM THAT BREEDER!!!!!!!!!!
Plenty of honest ones around you can deal with
PS forget professional breeders, no such thing just another name for puppy mill
by TessJ10 on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
And yes, I would expect to pay less for a dog from untitled parents.
by Mystere on 25 February 2010 - 21:02
It is misleading and usually intended to be misleading. There used to be a very actively breeding gsd-person in the sport who often used that parenthetical designation for dogs she was breeding hand over fist. NONE ever got those titles. She intended to breed and that was it. She snowed a lot of people for a few years.
Molly's dog already has an HGH, which is a breeding title itself. That's the distinction, imo.
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