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by phgsd on 13 February 2010 - 14:02
Yes, it's her left hip that's the bad one. Although I have read the research suggesting that unilateral HD isn't genetic, I never saw an injury or a limp since I got her at 8 weeks old. I guess something very minor could have happened that I didn't notice, or it may have happened when she was younger, but I guess I'll never know. Her sire's hip production turned out to be pretty poor (she was from one of his first litters), and since I never saw an injury, I am more inclined to believe it was genetic. Either way, it was a heartbreaker. She's a little firecracker!
by Jenni78 on 13 February 2010 - 14:02
If you read that, it doesn't have to be a specific injury you would've seen. What they're saying is that since dogs are mostly right handed, that the left rear has the most stress day in and day out. Over exercise in sudden bursts is what does it; when the muscles get exhausted, there is nothing protecting the hip.
Very interesting to me. I have only once ever heard of a dog w/one bad hip on the right side. Every other unilateral case I have known was the left.
In genetic cases (as sure as you can ever be anyway), both hips suck, but one is worse, usually the left one. I strongly suspect in cases of one great hip and one iffy hip, that something environmental is coming into play. If HD were purely genetic, we'd have figured out how to prevent it by now.
Very interesting to me. I have only once ever heard of a dog w/one bad hip on the right side. Every other unilateral case I have known was the left.
In genetic cases (as sure as you can ever be anyway), both hips suck, but one is worse, usually the left one. I strongly suspect in cases of one great hip and one iffy hip, that something environmental is coming into play. If HD were purely genetic, we'd have figured out how to prevent it by now.
by Tiago on 14 February 2010 - 05:02
My males hips at seven years old. He's now 11.
by SitasMom on 14 February 2010 - 20:02
left hip (shown to the right) is not good. is this dog exhibiting pain? some dogs can have good hips and show pain, and some dogs can have bad hips and show no pain....
if you are not breeding then the most important thing is the pain factor.
if you are not breeding then the most important thing is the pain factor.
by Jenni78 on 14 February 2010 - 21:02
SitasMom, what are you talking about?
by SitasMom on 15 February 2010 - 19:02
the first x-ray, not the one directly above the post.
by Jenni78 on 15 February 2010 - 20:02
The very first one? In the original post? No, the dog is totally fine. Just a high energy working line dog. The film was taken out of curiosity to see exactly how badly this dog screwed up his joints with some of the crazy stunts he does regularly. They are not that bad for an older dog, really. Well, at least not for a dog who does something besides look pretty anyway;-) I expected the heads to be totally flat, necks super thick and hard to differentiate, and sockets to be worn away.
by LarryPinkston on 15 February 2010 - 20:02
Why screw around with non-expert opinions? If you REALLY want to know, send them to the OFA: no one can read X-rays better. Especially avoid local vets...
by Jenni78 on 15 February 2010 - 21:02
Because Larry; I don't really care. It's not my dog, and besides, the dog is already certified. Why send them in again? This was just for fun to see how his hips faired over the last 5 years.
I respectfully disagree about OFA reading xrays. I'll take the word of the SV evaluator over OFA any day. They have a system; OFA is far too subjective. The rating you get is dependent upon who's sitting at the table that day.
I would also disagree that there aren't experts on here; there certainly are. Certainly you have to pick through some really whacked out answers, but there are some highly educated people on here. If you read alot of these threads, they're pretty accurate at predicting what SV or OFA will say, and they are WAY more knowledgeable about positioning than the moron vets we get stuck with so often.
I respectfully disagree about OFA reading xrays. I'll take the word of the SV evaluator over OFA any day. They have a system; OFA is far too subjective. The rating you get is dependent upon who's sitting at the table that day.
I would also disagree that there aren't experts on here; there certainly are. Certainly you have to pick through some really whacked out answers, but there are some highly educated people on here. If you read alot of these threads, they're pretty accurate at predicting what SV or OFA will say, and they are WAY more knowledgeable about positioning than the moron vets we get stuck with so often.
by LarryPinkston on 15 February 2010 - 22:02
Jenni,
I would take the opinion of the OFA over the SV any day. The OFA opinion is a based on the independent reading and evaluation of the X-ray by three board certified specialists. The SV evaluations are the opinion of one veterinarian, and not necessarily a board certified specialist.
One other factor to consider is that SV's certification minimum age is 12 months and the OFA certification minimum age is 24 months. There can be a lot of changes to joints in that critical 12 month period, both good and bad.
I have seen numerous SV ratings that were reversed (in both good and bad directions) when the OFA evaluation was done. I have seen (and owned) dogs with SV noch zugelassen "a" stamps that came back OFA good or excellent. Have also seen the opposite (but haven't owned any). And after having owned/bred many dogs with both SV and OFA hips and elbow certifications, I put my trust in the OFA. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the SV certification, but I trust the OFA more. (And I am an American, not a German, so I would also tend to use what is readily available in our country, and what my customers have heard of and understand.)
I would take the opinion of the OFA over the SV any day. The OFA opinion is a based on the independent reading and evaluation of the X-ray by three board certified specialists. The SV evaluations are the opinion of one veterinarian, and not necessarily a board certified specialist.
One other factor to consider is that SV's certification minimum age is 12 months and the OFA certification minimum age is 24 months. There can be a lot of changes to joints in that critical 12 month period, both good and bad.
I have seen numerous SV ratings that were reversed (in both good and bad directions) when the OFA evaluation was done. I have seen (and owned) dogs with SV noch zugelassen "a" stamps that came back OFA good or excellent. Have also seen the opposite (but haven't owned any). And after having owned/bred many dogs with both SV and OFA hips and elbow certifications, I put my trust in the OFA. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the SV certification, but I trust the OFA more. (And I am an American, not a German, so I would also tend to use what is readily available in our country, and what my customers have heard of and understand.)
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