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by Mystere on 29 December 2009 - 22:12
Welcome Lindsey!
I am so very sorry for your loss. There are a lot of very experienced people on this board who are very passionate about the breed. Please bear that in mind, when you read some of the posts. No one intends to be mean or cause you any pain or discomfort. But, they will tell you the truth, some more bluntly than others.
I agree with everything you have been told thus far.
PLEASE re-think taking two pups. It is a known recipe for trouble, if not disaster. Some of the people who responded to you are speaking from sad personal experience. Personally, I firmly believe in learning from the mistakes of others. I deal with vicarious pain a lot better than personal pain.
I did have a gsd puppy at the same time as I got a Scottie puppie. Both were female. It was a frigging nightmare for years . They NEVER worked out who was alpha between them and it was always a fight to the finish. There was a sixty pound difference between them , mind you. The gsd was oversize and weighed nearly 90 lbs.; the Scottie weighed 18 lbs. She was a quintessential Scottie--she never gave up and never gave in. The gsd tried to kill the Scottie three times over a six year period and nearly succeeded one of those times. That does not event take into account the times I was awakened in the middle of the night by a full-fledged battle over God knows what at 3 a.m. My very first dog-bite ever was from trying to break up a fight between them--the Scottie was really fighting back and got my hand by mistake. I still have the scars.
I would and willl NEVER have two bitches in my house at the same time ever again. Two males? Only if I had a complete brain fart, as that is a recipe for hell on Earth, too. It's just that male dogs (like male humans) have rules about fighting. They will fight, work out their difference of the moment, and go out and have a beer. Bitches, like human females, fight dirty, nasty, and to the end. The enmity lasts until one dies. ( And even then, sincerity may be at issue!! 
)
In any event, enjoy your puppies. Know that you do have a resource here, but be prepared to be told the truth (without candy-coating much of the time). Welcome!
I am so very sorry for your loss. There are a lot of very experienced people on this board who are very passionate about the breed. Please bear that in mind, when you read some of the posts. No one intends to be mean or cause you any pain or discomfort. But, they will tell you the truth, some more bluntly than others.
I agree with everything you have been told thus far.
PLEASE re-think taking two pups. It is a known recipe for trouble, if not disaster. Some of the people who responded to you are speaking from sad personal experience. Personally, I firmly believe in learning from the mistakes of others. I deal with vicarious pain a lot better than personal pain.
I did have a gsd puppy at the same time as I got a Scottie puppie. Both were female. It was a frigging nightmare for years . They NEVER worked out who was alpha between them and it was always a fight to the finish. There was a sixty pound difference between them , mind you. The gsd was oversize and weighed nearly 90 lbs.; the Scottie weighed 18 lbs. She was a quintessential Scottie--she never gave up and never gave in.
The gsd tried to kill the Scottie three times over a six year period and nearly succeeded one of those times. That does not event take into account the times I was awakened in the middle of the night by a full-fledged battle over God knows what at 3 a.m. My very first dog-bite ever was from trying to break up a fight between them--the Scottie was really fighting back and got my hand by mistake. I still have the scars. I would and willl NEVER have two bitches in my house at the same time ever again. Two males? Only if I had a complete brain fart, as that is a recipe for hell on Earth, too. It's just that male dogs (like male humans) have rules about fighting. They will fight, work out their difference of the moment, and go out and have a beer. Bitches, like human females, fight dirty, nasty, and to the end. The enmity lasts until one dies.
( And even then, sincerity may be at issue!! )In any event, enjoy your puppies. Know that you do have a resource here, but be prepared to be told the truth (without candy-coating much of the time). Welcome!
by troublelinx on 29 December 2009 - 23:12
Dont do it!!!
Do you know anything about what the parents were breed for. Do they even have a documented bloodline to research?
Do you know anything about what the parents were breed for. Do they even have a documented bloodline to research?
by JRANSOM on 29 December 2009 - 23:12
Welcome Lindsey.
I just have to second everything that the previous posters already mentioned. I hope you change your mind about taking 2 pups (litttermate, brothers) at the same time. And I would question about whether that "breeder" knows what the hell he's doing. I would go elsewhere for a pup. JMTC. Sorry for the loss or your pup, that should never have happened.
by Red Sable on 29 December 2009 - 23:12
I agree with all that has been said too. Not only do you have to deal with dominance issues, but two pups will bond to each other more than you. Two dogs are half a dog, my neighbour always said, and I believe that to be true, unless you keep them seperated and alot time to both seperately so they bond and listen to you.
Obedience is huge, and I don't know how you are going to manage it with two. I wouldn't want to. I know I couldn't. One pup at a time is all I can handle properly, and all I'd want to handle. I'm not even talking about when they are older, that is a whole new ball of wax.
Please rethink it. I'm sure you won't regret it!
Welcome to the board!
Obedience is huge, and I don't know how you are going to manage it with two. I wouldn't want to. I know I couldn't. One pup at a time is all I can handle properly, and all I'd want to handle. I'm not even talking about when they are older, that is a whole new ball of wax.
Please rethink it. I'm sure you won't regret it!
Welcome to the board!
by raymond on 30 December 2009 - 00:12
Welcome Lindsey! I have only had my GSD for two years and have plenty of time to devote to her! I strongly urge you to consider very well the advice the previous posters have given you! Two males from the same litter is sticking your head on the chopping block! It will get cut off! One male gsd will be a hand full for a newbie! I have learned that GSD are a breed apart from other dogs! Welcome and please reconsider!
by petowner on 30 December 2009 - 00:12
Lindsey please take heed of all the good advice you have been given on here. To add to what everyone has already said, no responsible breeder would dream of putting somebody elses dog in with his own pack of dogs, the last thing you would do with a pup with already floppy ears is put him in with a pack !. I know it won't bring your beloved dog back but I would be suing him big time, it might make him stop and think before doing the same again !.
For just a hobby breeder to know all about the taping of ears sets alarm bells ringing !.
For just a hobby breeder to know all about the taping of ears sets alarm bells ringing !.
by DebiSue on 30 December 2009 - 00:12
Oh Lindsey, I am sooo very sorry to hear what happened to your beautiful puppy. That is just sooo wrong and it never should have happened. My heart bleeds for you, it really does.
I encourage you to listen to what everyone is trying to convey to you regarding bringing home two pups, same litter, same sex from the same breeder. I myself would run as fast as I could in the other direction and avoid this breeder at all costs.
I understand wanting another puppy to ease the pain of losing your sweet pup. I can understand being tempted to get two at once but common sense will win out with me. I know of a couple who have littermates, male & female and it is just as Red Sable states the pups have bonded to each other and training is a chore. They don't have dominance issues because they are different sexes but when they are both on the field the one supposedly at rest is going ape when the other dog is working. The couple are just as nice as can be...the pups are super socialized...they work the pups dilligently but you cannot have both on the field at the same time and not have one or the other misbehaving at being separated. Sad but true.
Please reconsider taking just one pup home...for the sake of the dog if nothing else. You can't be fair to the puppy if you have to split your attention between the two of them. You could get hurt and for darn sure, one of the pups will get hurt eventually. Think about what happened with your puppy at the breeders place and realize it could happen right there all over again in your own living room.
Whatever your decision, please keep us posted. Post pics etc. We love new puppy pics. Welcome to the board and I hope to see you on here often with questions and contributions.
Good luck!
Deb
I encourage you to listen to what everyone is trying to convey to you regarding bringing home two pups, same litter, same sex from the same breeder. I myself would run as fast as I could in the other direction and avoid this breeder at all costs.
I understand wanting another puppy to ease the pain of losing your sweet pup. I can understand being tempted to get two at once but common sense will win out with me. I know of a couple who have littermates, male & female and it is just as Red Sable states the pups have bonded to each other and training is a chore. They don't have dominance issues because they are different sexes but when they are both on the field the one supposedly at rest is going ape when the other dog is working. The couple are just as nice as can be...the pups are super socialized...they work the pups dilligently but you cannot have both on the field at the same time and not have one or the other misbehaving at being separated. Sad but true.
Please reconsider taking just one pup home...for the sake of the dog if nothing else. You can't be fair to the puppy if you have to split your attention between the two of them. You could get hurt and for darn sure, one of the pups will get hurt eventually. Think about what happened with your puppy at the breeders place and realize it could happen right there all over again in your own living room.
Whatever your decision, please keep us posted. Post pics etc. We love new puppy pics. Welcome to the board and I hope to see you on here often with questions and contributions.
Good luck!
Deb
by Two Moons on 30 December 2009 - 01:12
Welcome,
and before Thursday arrives rethink bringing home two puppies.
You have much to learn.
Moons.
and before Thursday arrives rethink bringing home two puppies.
You have much to learn.
Moons.
by danbee on 30 December 2009 - 01:12
Adding to the chorus: Two is not better than one. As young pups, the littermates will bond to each other and not to you. That wonderful relationship which you had with your dog which I'm sure you want to recreate will never happen. Then as they age you WILL have fights, unless they are kept constantly separated and I'm guessing that's not what you want. The only question about the fights is how big the vet bills will be or whether they will be fatal. If you want two dogs, then start with one and add another of the opposite sex when the first is at least a year old. That's the only way you're going to have them bonded to you and be able to accomplish any decent training. As for the idiot who lets pregnant females run together and then tosses in a new dog, I don't even know where to begin!
by mico on 30 December 2009 - 02:12
Welcome Lindsey!!!!!
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