3yr old dies from PRAA - Page 2

firefly, the statement that Arko is passing on an inheridity congenital defect is damaging to this fine dog ... bad things will stick in peoples minds ... true or not. Therefor I might have take an x-ray before breeding her, but right now there are no signs or symptoms that would warrant this.

I suppose I could do the same with my Peddy daughter...if I was going to be an alarmist. These dogs have waaaay too many perfectly healthy puppies on the ground to get crazy because of ONE problem with ONE dog...and even on the PRAA websites it says that the heritability of it is "very complex."

If you do the math...Arko is a very good stud in terms of health.

 Elkoorr not sure why the attack on me. All I said is if I had a dog out of the said dam and sire I would have them testet. Just to give myself some peace of mind. OP's info would warrant the tests for me suspected or not.

Every german shepherd bloodline has   SOMETHING  that can pop up no matter who or where or how life goes..Cannot fault a breeder unless you can prove they , it , her ,or him. produced many litters with same SUPPOSIDLY inheritable disease..After all this dog , sadly lived till three... If you buy a shepherd , get advice from a mentor before you put pups and dog thru all this...UNBELIEVABL:E......     

Chances are  vet did not know  much about German shepherd bloodlines..His vet book told him it was an inherited trait..May very well be...and this poster, being novice didn;t spot it.. Why
 TEST 

  FEMALES AND STUD  BEFORE BREEDING  with BLOOD PANELS......and especially if you have one vomiting unusually long times...that is not normal....

especially if you don't see grass or dirt or a reason for upchucking.....Lesson learned.

There are really some asinine people on this board that own or breed German Shepherds. JMO...Every dog that has at least 75 progeny has produced a dog with crippling or severe HD. The GS will have 3 to 5 percent of produced dogs have crippling HD. It is heriditary. One of 75 is only 1.5%. So do we stop breeding all dogs with at least 75 progeny on the ground. What about dogs that have produced a case of EPI, SM, Bloat,etc, these things have a genetic predisposition. So do we eliminate all of these dogs from the genepool. What about the four grandparents of these dogs, after all each parent had to carry it recessively to produce with another carrier. Also, do we not breed the siblings of any dog that has one of these genetic health issues mentioned above. After all the siblings carry the same genes as the brother or sister that expressed it. People you would not have any dogs to breed with asinine thinking like above, based on "one" known instance of this from these two dogs. How many progeny has Arko produced with no instance.....These are the kind of illogicAL, emotional thinking that hurts the breed by narrowing the genepool. Yellowrose, I agree with you wholeheartenly, and think that people who ARENT accomplished breeders really can't tell me anything about what dogs should or should not be bred based on one incident in many many breedings. It crazy!!!

Yellow Rose and Gustav are right.  We need to test for more than just hips and elbows  Before being bred this dog should have had a cardiologist do an echocardogram with color doppler    Hard lesson learned and a sad one  Im sorry for your loss as he looked like a beautiful dog but it is mean spirited to post on the board like this 

Terri

"Every dog that has at least 75 progeny has produced a dog with crippling or severe HD. The GS will have 3 to 5 percent of produced dogs have crippling HD. It is heriditary. One of 75 is only 1.5%. So do we stop breeding all dogs with at least 75 progeny on the ground."

With all due respect, that's sort of like saying that if the average rate for automobile accidents is one for every 10,000 miles driven, everyone who has driven 10,000 miles has had an accident...not how statistical mathematics works.  You can not use the 3 to 5 percent figure as the basis for claiming that every dog with at least 75 progeny has produced at least one with HD because some dogs will produce many offspring with the condition while others are likely to produce none.

While you are techically correct, Keith, I think Gustav's point was not so much to be taken literally, but to throw out average statistics as a way to say, hey, when a dog is bred as much as these two dogs, there are bound to be a couple of problems...and in fact, ONE instance of PRAA for this pair is really not significant enough to warrant what the OP was saying/accusing. Statistics, like everything else, can be interpreted to mean different things in real world applications. JMO.

Keith, you are technically correct in what you say, but my principle of this one instance being a basis for the parents to be eliminated from genepool remains. I think Most people understand conceptually what I am saying. Sometimes, analogies, although not exact, illustrate a concept better than words. JMO

One last thing, I doubt very seriously that a sire can produce 75 dogs without one of the dogs being grade 4 dysplastic . Is it statistically possible ...yes....is it probable...I don't think so!