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vonissk

by vonissk on 04 December 2009 - 17:12

Some of the German showlines are beginning to not look so good either.................Did anyone see the GSD on Turkey Day--the National dog Show from Philly?  Well I never did go look up what lines he was but he was a nice solid boy and looked like he could do a day's work. I was very impressed and I am not impressed by many ASS.  But I do believe in giving credit where it is due.  I think there are some breeders who are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel and realizing they need to change some things. 
As far as this Dr Fox is--did he see these dogs?  No.  Did he see their pedigrees? Doubtful.  Does he have any more info then what the people wrote him? Again doubtful. Did he see the way these puppies were raised?  Again probably not. 
Before I get flamed I am not defending the dogs that are majorly ski slopes, but I have seen good and bad in all lines. As I said there are some breeders who are seeing that a change is definately needed. And I am for that.

by 1doggie2 on 04 December 2009 - 17:12

Whoever stated the gsd American showlines is the only breed that has been "ruined" is not correct. Anytime show people get a hold of a breed they alter it under the "betterment rule". They did this to the dobie in the 60's when they began to turn on the owners at about 2 to 3 years of age. The "pin head" look became the most popular "look", they bred the head so thin, it did not give the brain room to grow and they brains were exploding (lacking the terminology). The bulldogs, they shortened the muzzles so much they can not breath and cleft palettes became a problem. You can almost look at any breed in any country and see the "adjustments" made and it will make you cry. Mother Nature built things a certain way and colors for a reason, who are we to say she is wrong, pretty arrogant of us if you ask me and so wrong on so many levels, temperment, health, even the look of the dog.

by Micky D on 04 December 2009 - 17:12

 To all of you who are slapping each other on the back and high-fiving:

Dr Michael W Fox:

MEMBERSHIPS

American Veterinary Holistic Medical Association

 

Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights

 

Board Member, Global Communications for Conservation, Inc.

Founding Member, International Society of Applied Ethology

 

Member, British and American Veterinary Medical Associations

While there are obviously breeders in the US who care nothing about purebred dog health, the A/R's are going to use this bit of propaganda to say, "see, breeders of purebred dogs are *all* part of whatever perceived problem they are highlighting at the moment.

So, go on and pat yourselves on the backs.  Just remember, when you wake up to laws so repressive only the gigantic dog breeding conglomerates like the Hunte Corporation can still produce purebred dogs and cats, you assisted the A/R activists in bringing about the demise of your rights to breed dogs.

And, I would remind our British readers that BBC America will premiere the expose on your national dog health problems this month, so don't get too cocky.  Those exploding Cavalier brains are pretty emotionally charged.


by VomMarischal on 04 December 2009 - 18:12

All people who are not breeding the types of dog that Dr. Fox is slamming SHOULD be high-fiving, regardless of Dr. Fox's affiliations. Why do you think this means that we are all laughing into our beers and ignoring the politics? 

by Micky D on 04 December 2009 - 18:12

 I don't think you are laughing, but I do think you are naive if you don't think Fox's goal isn't the elimination of purebred dogs as we know them today.

Dog breeders will be attacked using articles like this, regardless of their ethics or lack thereof.  And, the small breeder will find it harder and harder to remain viable.

Elkoorr

by Elkoorr on 04 December 2009 - 18:12

Fox doesnt know what he is talking about. German showlines are associated with the sharp sloping backs, not the american lines. Am-lines are associated with weak temperament, finer bone, hare feet ect, slimer heads and long body. Of course this is all a generalization and there are some fine dogs out there. Disk problems or demyolation sounds like the problem the two shepherds had.

And I think nobody specificly ruined the breed but the change of times if you want to put a blame on something; with the industrilization of many of the jobs they original were intended for, breeders adjusted to the needs of who could win the showring and who could win the sport. Outfalls became pets, and pets were bred because aunty had a pretty girl and uncle had a pretty boy, and both had no clue, but free pretty pups for the cousins.

In my opinion the most correct dogs to the original intend come from former eastblock states. But we already see a sharp decline in the quality here too. Forget about VA dogs, there are not many who make the cut, and it seems the judges need some better prescription glasses. Changes are coming, they just dont happen in one year. And this is for the german style and the akc, as well as other countries.

Mystere

by Mystere on 04 December 2009 - 21:12

Elkorr,

The ASS dogs do have a sloping back--they almost look like a triangle from the side, along with the other things you noted. 


What exactly is "Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights"?  Is it really as ominous as it sounds?  I guess I will do a google search to see what turns up.  Thanks for the citation.

Mystere

by Mystere on 04 December 2009 - 21:12

Well, that didn't take long--YIKES!!  From the American Veterinary Medical Association ( http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/hsvma_faq.asp):


AVMA and the HSVMA
Frequently asked questions
January 16, 2008

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[Print version]

Frequently asked questions about the AVMA and the HSVMA

On January 14, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) announced a 'corporate combination' with the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights (AVAR) to form the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association (HSVMA). The following are answers to some questions the AVMA has been asked regarding this new association.

Q: What does this mean for the AVMA?
A: The formation of the HSVMA will not affect the services and representation offered for the veterinary profession by the AVMA. As the recognized voice of the profession, the AVMA will continue its focus on compassion, scientific validity, and practicality in its answers to questions raised in the course of caring for animals. And, as always, the AVMA's answers to those questions, and any related policies and recommendations, will represent the expert input and diverse practice experiences of our members. AVMA members are veterinarians who have dedicated their lives to ensuring and improving animal health and welfare, regardless of whether the animals they care for are companion animals; horses; animals used for food, fiber, or research; wild animals; or aquatic species.



BlackthornGSD

by BlackthornGSD on 05 December 2009 - 02:12

He considers himself a vet?

The people writing in are describing classic symptoms of Degenerative Myelopathy--a disease that isn't connected to angulation or hip dysplasia and one that has a DNA test for it. DM is found in both American and German lines, but the DNA test means that it's something that can be avoided nowadays.

So, instead of answering the question and actually informing people on this health problem... he just goes off on an appearance thing he doesn't like. (Not that I like it either--but at least answer the question honestly

Weaksauce, Dr. Fox.

by Orchardhof on 05 December 2009 - 12:12

Allegedly Dr Fox is a PETA spokesman so he has a bias to what he says.

Terri





 


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