superman said don't spit into the wind.......again, NO ONE knows what is going on here! This is a internet forum, right?

Maybe Molly will give up her source of info . She seems to know more about how the dogs ended up like this and with who. She claims she spoke with some one with first hand knowledge.


      
this does not happen over night

Sorry, "Ignorantia juris non excusat," latin for ignorance of law is no excuse, is a long standing maxum that applies in this case.

by eichenluft on 25 September 2009 - 17:09

He did not own the dogs, and maybe he waited too long to try to place them into good homes - but in the end he did what he thought was right - tried to find homes where the dogs' medical needs could be taken care of. He did not realize the medical problems were as serious as they were. He convinced me that he is very upset about how things turned out for the dogs.

     Isn't funny,  in a totally non-humorous way, the excuses being made NOW, for why these dogs were not cared for.
IF YOU HARBOR A DOG< you HAVE A DUTY TO SAID DOG. IT'S THE LAW...

     EVERY person that comes up with ownership, care, training, breeding of these 2 dogs, HAVE NEGLECTED these dogs in an incomprehensible manner. EVERY-ONE associated with sch clubs, USA, Breed wardends, what ever, where-ever..left these dogs to die.
      I'll GUARANTEE,IF THE GROWTH AMANDA had was on their bellies, they would have sought medical care for themselves.
      The same people now making excuses for, the harborers, owners of these 2 girls , are ,were,,, the first to cast stones at others ...for DOING MORE for their PETS, (yeah ,pets), than these "noted, competitors, do for these girls that contributed so much to the sport, and German Shepherd breed!!
      So, you all still want to keep sweeping this away.
 
                                      WHO OWNS THESE DOGS???????????????
molly (GSD Breed Warden)obviously knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now who is casting stones.  Kitkat, were you not the person sitting right here chatting for hours about how sad you were that your own beloved dog was DYING - whimpering, suffering, slowly DYING while you typed away on the keyboard about how sad you were.  Talk about abusing, neglecting an animal!  How quickly those forget, including those who caused the suffering of an animal or who didn't take the proper steps to stop the suffering as quickly as possible.  Eh Kitkat?

I am one of the few who offered to take these animals and take care of them.  That meant I would have driven for however many hours it took to go get them, and it means I would have taken them straight to my vet and followed the recommendations of the vet, to help the dog either recover in a way that was reasonable for myself and the dog, or help the dog by putting an end to it's suffering if humane treatment and recovery was not a reasonable goal.  I and others offered to do this, but our offer was too late.  I didn't see your offer to help - or did I miss that Kitkat? 

That's what happened with these two dogs.  They were helped.  It is just too bad, a terrible thing, that they were too late to be helped.  And the fate of Amanda and Adrie in the end was far better for them than what happened to YOUR DOG, Kitkat.   END OF STORY.

FYI Molly,
     My dog was close to 11 years old. Was a member of my family for 11 years. SHE WAS taken to a vet. She HAD A CHANCE FOR LIFE, and I was hoping and praying that she would of, could of survived.
     I was on the computer looking for other ways to help her. you think I enjoyed listening to her cry? Well I'll guarantee you, I DIDN'T!
     I don't just opt to put um out of mind, once it gets tough.
     I already know yours and others feelings on that, What gets me is , how fast you were to jump me and a Vet you know nothing about, but you will defend one of your sch pals, that work their dogs until they are no longer of value $$$$$$,
    than will come on the database and state they were rescued from crackheads, but they needed help  to save the dog,
 then the story changes.
    it appears that you feel working and titleing a dog is more important than getting vet care for them.
AND, Did I offer to help the two dogs, NO, I did not, not in life anyway. I was not in a position to drive to Ohio to pick them up, and anyone with half a brain could see they could not be shipped, nor would I have ever made an attempt to ship.
     my offer to help prosecute the person(s) responsible for their death still stands!!!
while you on the otheer hand, will make excuses for their lack of care OR CARING!!!

Anyone who had any thing to do with Lorenzo knows he lies, is sly and is a computor wiz..He threatened people on here for years, with computor internet garbage and threatened people thru others and he has lied , taken property that was not his, misrepresented dogs, papers, work and a website that had nice looks, after all, that is how he got to people..thru his internet means..he was sharp on the webmaking..he made several ,of people here with pics and their voices, scamming them on a porn site and threatening them into blackmail...THe attorney General of two states has been involved with charges on him...so do not think you are gonna get anywhere by posting anything on a computor or this internet..He is far smarter and his life is not one like we all live, so you are wasting time thinking you are gonna get answers to anything on Lorenzo on  here.  Several of us still have all the internet threats , emails and phone recordings of his   attempt to ruin people in the dog business..The law can do nothing to this man..you have to have solid proof and solid facts..Do you know how much money it costs to gather all that??

HE KNOWS HE HAS BEEN FOUND OUT...now maybe a Bounty Hunter will go after him on the warrants  out on him...

MAYBE HE CAN CONTACT THE SAME DOCTOR THAT MICHAEL JACKSON USEd  TO CHANGE HIS FACIAL APPEARANCE AND RE EMERGE INTO THE DOG WORLD AS PETER PAN.  LOL

Ower of the dog 2 dogs is Lorenzo WILLIAMS of House haus kennels ( No longer in the dog world )

He left the sate as he has warrants for his arrest in the sate of Ohio and also has alot of people he owes pups and or dogs and money to .

Lorenzo WILLIAMS was keeping all of his dogs at Bill Morris 1680 Reinhard Ave, Columbus OH 43206 in Bills apartment in the basement in crates for 23 hours a day , when Lorenzo WILLIAMS got warrants and was not able to give people the pups or dogs or money he owes them he Ran , He Ran to memphis TN , is what I am told by this Bill Morris , He left Amanda & Adrie in the care of Bill , Bill has asked Lorenzo WILLIAMS many times by e-mail and phone to come and get them , he would not come and get them , He left them there with Bill for over 1&1/2 years , Bill did feed the dogs as well as he could , but he gave them No vet care for over 1 & 1/2 years , He had to move out of his apartment and he could not take the dogs , On Sep. 15 he put an add on http://columbus.craigslist.org/pet/ , someone that knows Timothy Helser emaild the add to Timothy Helser that person emaild Bill and got a Number for Timothy Helser to Call Bill , on the night of Sep 15 Timothy Helser called Bill and found out that the dogs was Amanda & Adrie , So Timothy set up a time to meet Bill at his apartment at 1130am on the 16th of Sep. 09 , Timothy went and got the dogs and called the vet on the way home as they were in bad shape , So He got Adrie into the vet first , as he knew Amanda was bad and he wanted his own vet to look at her in the Am on the 17th as he knew the vet well , So Adrie was 8 years old and was acting like a 16 year old dog , the vet said she has mange , and hart worms bad and other things wrong with her , so she was put down ,
So Timothy took Amanda home , made her as comfortable as he could for the night , He did post on here in the early AM asking for help for vet care for Amanda , he also at the same time asked EurosportK9 for help as they was the seller and importer of amanda to the USA , Amdana went to the vet in the AM and was put down as she was too bad off to save , Timothy Helser did not do this to them , he Resued them and got them into the Vet ASAP , Amanda could not be aved they was looking at the cost of $1,500 and up to save her and the vet could not say 100% that she would make it out ok , Adrie would have not made it out of treatmet ... so they was put down , end of story ,

Timothy Helser has Video , Pictures , Vet paper work , e-mails and phone info \


The people that let dogs get this bad is Lorenzo WILLIAMS ower of the dogs and this man who was keeping the dogs here is his info

Bill Morris and Lorenzo WILLIAMS their contact info will be given to the right people ( police -dog pound ) ONLY

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/457977.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/409046.html


Here is a Picture of the Two dogs hours before they was put down , they just got a bath ,

]Post  back in December by    gsdDannyO1 in  another thread...  EXAMPLE OF ONLY  PART OF THIS VILE MAN  





Houserhaus Kennel>A Joke-Lier-Cheat>THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by gsdDanny01 on 17 December 2008 - 13:12

gsdDanny01

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Here is why you cant find him.... http://www.fcmcclerk.com/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?3616151

2008 CR B 002978 STATE OF OHIO vs. WILLIAMS, LORENZO

The AIRPORT POLICE got him on a Unauthorized use of motor vehicles. what is that you ask ? (1) A person commits the offense of unauthorized use of motor vehicles if he knowingly operates the automobile, airplane, motorcycle, quadricycle, motorboat, or other motor-propelled vehicle of another without his consent

Also he has a WARRANT ISSUED for him .. He is a wanted man as I write this .. So maybe thats why you cant find him ...Also he has more Criminal and Civil Charges against him at this time . He is running from the Police and Jail ! I hope they find him soon ! Well I hope this helps

gsddanny01 IS TIMOTHY HELSER.  HE DOES NOT COME ON WITH HIS OWN NAME, JUST WITH 100 DIFFERENT ALIASES ALONG WITH Rescuek9 AND MORE. 

NOBODY ON HERE WOULD BE DUMB ENUF TO GIVE A DIME TO TIM HELSER HE IS AN ANIMAL ABUSER HIMSELF AND A CANCER ON THE DOG WORLD