double standards on breeding by breeders - Page 2

there are few breeders  and there are many people producing pups

following all the rules and regulations doesnot make one a breeder

To become a breeder one has only to put a male and female together and produce a litter, thereafter those people are known as “breeders”.

To be a serious breeder there has to be a system to follow for guidance in producing better dogs. The SV has such a system and a wealth of information on breeding families together with health checks and a DNA parentage scheme. The DNA scheme is not just to root out the crooks but to also provide the serious breeder with a tool to verify all the information on the breeding families.

To use males that have not been officially scored for hips and elbows is a dangerous path to follow. One can look at the x-ray of a young dog, say, at six or seven month’s of age and, with experience see the state of the joints at the time of x-ray and get only an idea of how good the hips may be in the future. The problem is that until we understand better the rate of progress in the disease and what brings this about then there is no guarantee to the future state of the hips and elbows.

It is also unwise to use very young males at stud before they are fully developed because when they mature they may not be suitable, for various reasons, for breeding purposes in the future. For example epilepsy may be transmitted, spondylosis (curvature of the spine) may appear etc. Another important factor is the animals character which is still in the state of development and, at a later age, may not be good enough for breeding.

When he was President of the SV Dr Rummel said that he would have preferred the use of animals for breeding to take place once they matured so that a breeder could see what he had. However, as a compromise he said that the dogs could be used from 2 years of age because he felt that to wait for up to four years of age was asking too much from breeders. Clearly, he could see that to use animals at too young an age would be detrimental to the breed.

The attitude of many UK breeders is the “no body is going to tell me what to do”. This has been so for as long as I can remember. Regardless of the rules and regulations of wherever a breeder comes from it is better to adhere to some system which is better than no system at all. It is also only an arrogant know all that gives a two fingered salute to someone else’s opinion, after all, the breed has been built on someone’s opinion since it’s inception. As long as there are shows the breed will be influenced by someone else’s opinion.

Mackenzie

Hello David

Thank  you for the usual drivel, that is to be expected.

I do not have  a web site, which in any case is not proof of a good breeder, perhaps you did not realize this.

My interest in the breed is as a hobby as I have priorities in my life which outweigh my hobby and therefore I limit my production and showing to  a minimum.

You are only superior to me in handing out abuse to all and sundry.  Many of your posts arfe just patronizing rubbish designed to keep the name Videx on the front page.   When you have written something of worth I have always given you credit for it.  In this particular post  you have written nothing of substance about the topic just the usual derision.

It is true that your show success is high, however, with entries falling so low you are bound to win something.

Mackenzie

 

mackenzie , you are missing my point totally
it takes way more than putting a bitch and a male together , to be a breeder

Im not in favour of breeding a 9 or ten month old dog at all , but on the other hand many combinations of titled , bred by the rules combinations produce crappy and crippeled dogs as well

A real breeder looks beyont titles and placements , be it work or show

healthchecks ,whichever available should be number one on everybodys list

everything put on the dog by us humans (points ,rating,KKL) will not be passed on to the pups

are all auslese offspring auslese

does a bitch with a 98 trackingscore in her book produce all great trackingdogs

Is breeding KKL1 to KKL1 a guarantee for anything?

breeding is about dogs , not about papers

 Mackenzie: stick to something you may be good at, breeding GSD is certainly not one of them.

To  Duke 1965

I have not missed your point at all and I do go on in the post to draw attention to serious breeders.

In your comments I agree with everything that you say.  Many Auslese males and females have produced nothing of note.  The paper trail (the Kör report, health checks, working scores, show results etc) is a useful tool in deciding whether to use a dog for breeding.  The paper trail is only an indication of what you may get and there is no guarantee to success.

The breeding of dogs is not about the papers as you say but the dogs themselves.  They have to be breed typical in every aspect, anatomy, character, workability etc.  Having said that it is satisfying for an owner to have his efforts acknowledged by honestly gaining the qualifications that the system requires.

Mackenzie

I agree  Mac , but its quality dogs first , paperwork later
for many people its the other way around , as long as the paperwork says its good , the dogs or combination may be crap

the original intentions were good , but things got turned around , and now its used as a sellingtool

people buy some titled stock and say ,look what a great breeder I am , all my dogs are titled 

money can buy titles
money can buy titled dogs
but money cannot buy breederknowledge

I also have frisian horses , same story there
crappy horses with great paper are expensive
great horses with no full paper are way cheaper

as soon as papers are more important than the animals itself ,any breed will  go down

 As Walter Martin said to me, when I was lucky enough to spend three days with him, "when choosing a stud dog look at the dog first and the pedigree second, if the dog doesn't have what you are looking for, it's not worth looking at the pedigree"

Any breeder who looks at the pedigree and titles first and dog second is a questionable breeder in my book.

As a wise man once said it is  a dog that makes the pedigree not the other way around. you can say the same thing about titles as well . have a nice one.