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by Vikram on 27 August 2009 - 14:08
cheers
by duke1965 on 27 August 2009 - 18:08
again vikram shows he/she has no clue
in general you can say that west lines are more prey end east/czech are more for real
too much sharpness costs points and are harder too train , talked too a mali breeder last week who said just the same
he didnot want too much sharpness in his dog , not good for points
many of these dogs ,if you loose the sleeve , thats the end of it
offcoarse there are exeptions on both ends
by Pharaoh on 27 August 2009 - 18:08
He is the smartest dog I have ever been around and extremely tenacious.
He hates being left behind. He now knows how to operate almost all the doors in my house. He will stand on his hind legs putting both paws on the round door knob and rotate it till it works-he listens for the clicks and pushes it inward. I can understand that he figured out how to operate doors with handles. He just figured out that to get the door to the garage open, he turns the handle and then has to pull the door inward. Pushing is one thing, pulling in a heavy door is something else.
He is very headstrong and NOT a beginner dog. Fortunately, he is loving and socializes very, very well with other dogs. He is kind and never mean spirited.
Elkoor knows the East German dogs because she grew up there, not from reading articles and books by people with no first hand experience.
Enjoy, they are not for everyone. Hinterland does have some nice dogs.
Michele
by Jen_j41 on 27 August 2009 - 22:08
by Vikram on 28 August 2009 - 00:08
cheers
by K-9mom on 28 August 2009 - 02:08
Which is better?? How can you answer that? I have old DDR lines, West Work, Belgian Work mixed with West Work and all three mixed together here in my home. I love my east dogs but have to admit that my new favorite combo is the blend of the three. But my dog who has gone farthest and holds over 30 titles is a $400, Long coated, 21", AKC Pet Lined (no show) GSD. She is now 14 1/2 and is the truest, most honest, clearest head, most loyal, and easiest to train. I breed now (she was spayed) so I would not go that route again but just trying to make a point that it is the individual dog and handler. No dog from any "lines" can become all it can be without a good handler or breeder that gives them a good start.
Check around, see what you like, check the health on the offspring of those dogs and try that type. You may get what you want but you also may not. I certainly have my own personal opinions on each of these lines as far as work, temperament, drive, and health but it is my own personal opinion and would not say you should get one because it is "BEST".
Tina
by Slamdunc on 28 August 2009 - 03:08
Vikram,
the link you provided contradicts your own statements. Am I to understand that there are no good East German working line dogs? I suppose according to you there are no good CZECH working line GSD's either? You need to stop generalizing and lighten up. People would take you more seriously.
Jim
by Bucko on 28 August 2009 - 03:08
If you see Malcolm Willis, you will learn that heritability for traits other than color and size is relatively low, so apart from a difference in look (DDR big heads and thick bones, and preponderance of dark sable and black) there is little that can be honestly said. As some of the posters have indicated, it really depends on the individual dog and you.
I had a top DDR male who was huge, matured young (!), was incredibly smart, trainable and reliable, but was not precise and was not great at protection (except that his presence scared the wits out of strangers). I had a DDR female who was gorgeous and showy but soft and avoidant. I had a huge DDR female who was very smart and obedient, but had the long face and long, long ears of a showdog. I had a West German showlines male who was a submissive urinator and so soft it was tragic. I had a West German working male who was precise, obedient, had a good nose, and was also tough -- but looked East German and matured slowly!
And I had a collie who could V in OB and protection! A 60 pound female!
Meet the dam, study the sire, and pick a puppy you really and truly LIKE -- and don't listen to the prejudices that may reflect some modicum of truth but will hardly give you much to go on for an individual puppy.
by Bucko on 28 August 2009 - 03:08
by Vikram on 28 August 2009 - 03:08
cheers and Good Luck
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