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by Nans gsd on 01 August 2009 - 15:08

Well said; champions are not bred, they are achieved...

by macon on 01 August 2009 - 18:08

Thanks for those of you who have responded!

I live in Canada and we are finishing up on our Nationals as I am writing this. If you look at the results of the trial it proves my point about non titled dogs. You can show your non titled dogs biting sleeves and tugs but that doesn't mean anything if cannot out. Schutzhund is a three phase sport.

The dogs that do well are dogs that can do all three phases. If you are breeding non-titled dogs how can you as a breeder prove that your dog can track, heel, hold the dumbbell with chewing, jump the wall etc. If you look at the results of the Canadian Nationals you see most all the dogs did well in protection, but what separates those going to the worlds verses nationals are those who did equally as well in obedience and tracking.

If you are not titling your dogs then how do yo know what the dog can and cannot do! You can say that your dogs track and obedience is great but how does the buyer know whether or not you the breeder is lying or telling the truth. Title are important.

Again if you are not working and titling dogs you are breeding pets with working pedigrees. You are not breeding working dogs you are breeding pets. There is nothing wrong with breeding pets as long as you are not representing your self or your dogs any other way. The issue with breeding pets is that you should not charge a working price for your pet breedings.

by SitasMom on 01 August 2009 - 18:08

a BH IS something if your dog is 15 months old, but its just a steping stone for the next level - a real title!

by Mindhunt on 01 August 2009 - 19:08

I may catch some crap for this but here goes I do believe that there should be some form of ground rules for breeding good dogs. If you are breeding dogs for sport, then they should have sport titles like Schutzhund titles. We know this tests temperment, ability to perform tracking, protection, obedience, etc. They also have to have passed OFAs or equivalent. But what about the working dog like K9s? These dogs have to have the proper temperment and healthy structure to be able to perform the required tasks like tracking and finding bad guys, lost people, drug or bomb detection, agility, endurance, ability to problem solve on the fly, obedience and protection. Most come from registered working lines and all have to pass OFAs or equivalent. There are no such titles as in Schutzhund yet these dogs are just as good. Yes, I am a firm believer in breeding is everything if you want a good foundation for a great dog.

by SitasMom on 01 August 2009 - 21:08

why do people only talk about SchH when they talk about titles?

there is SAR, herding, agility, and many others out there too.

by Mindhunt on 01 August 2009 - 21:08

I agree Sistasmom, title the dog in what you are breeding for (if a nationally recognized title is available). All of the above mentioned need sound dogs with good temperments and breeding.

by VonIsengard on 01 August 2009 - 21:08

I wanted to add that if you choose to breed GSDs you are breeding WORKING dogs...and if you don't work them, exactly how woud one develop an "eye" for what constitutes a working dog?!

Obedience, agility, etc., are certainly better than no titles at all, but lets be real here. You can do those things with a pekinese, it does not make it a german shepherd! SV herding, police K9 work, knpv, french ring, high level SAR (not just goofing off on rubble piles on the weekends) are all up the right alley as well.

And there is NO REASON why dogs who do not have SchH titles cannot go for an SG! They don't hand them out to dogs with disqualifying faults. If I saw a brood bitch who has SG, "a"/OFA, and, let's say, FEMA certified, that would not bother me in the least. An unrated dog with a CD or a NA? No thanks. I see some godawful GSDs in obedience and agility, that's for sure.

by Gustav on 01 August 2009 - 23:08

The key to breeding working dogs is knowledge; of the dog lines and their strengths, and of the temperament that it takes for a dog to work successfully. Titles are the result of patterned training and top sport is the result of top trainers. I have seen top trainers take showline dogs and place in the top 20 in the nationals. Was the dog a better dog for breeding working dogs than the other sixty dogs in the trial??? Not for me maybe for some with less knowledge.BTW, was there a Carmspack dog in those Canadian nationals??? No probably not because that breeder has history of breeding nontitled dogs. The fact that this breeder probably has more dogs with PD departments including the RCMP certainly doesn't count. To the contrary she has forgot more about GS than most people on this forum will ever learn, thus she produces and has produced countless"real" working dogs. Titles are nice, but knowledge is better, and I know many people with titled dogs who couldn't tell you a dominant trait in their dogs background BUT since they have titles the puppies they breed will be great working dogs...Yeah! Remember, 65% of the GS in Germany are showline dogs with titles....how many of them are there at the Canadian Nationals, I figure just by your logic, and numbers, and since they are all titled, there should be a significant number...peace!

by snajper69 on 02 August 2009 - 02:08

Titles dose not mean shit if your dog can't produce anything good I don't care if he is SCHIII or any other title. To be honest I heared more b/s from breeders that title thair dog than from so called BYB. Every time you talk to one of tham they talk only about their dog titles and always neglegt to mantion weather his/her dogs produce anything worth wile, most of tham do not do repeat breedings their dogs are as much of a crap shoot as BYB. But wathever makes you sleep better at night.

What makes breeder a good one is the fact that he research and stands behind his dogs, not how many titles he got. One of my favorite females came from untitled parents and the breeder rather than b/s about anything just invited me to a training so I could see what he is producing for me that means more than your paper title. But like I said wathever makes you sleep better at night. All you need to know is in progeany not in your paper title.Got so much to say but never got to the point what a shame.

by gsdsch3v on 02 August 2009 - 03:08

It is a shame that we don't recognize our state and nationally certified working dogs as able to be breed certified. Ironically I can breed certifiy a dog that has a german police dog title whether or not it is still working or got washed from a dept with no problems but try to breed certify a working dog from america with a state or national certification and you can't. WHY?

Our certifications are different because of the way we work in real life and our legal obligations. In fact a lot of states have their own certification standard. This isn't wrong it just reflects the different legal considerations in the different jurisdictions.

Hence a lot of working dogs come off as "untitled" which I think is totally wrong. No certification authority is going to want their name on a law suit waiting to happen, in a mid-night sch trial there is not that much at stake, (except for your integrity :) )

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