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by TessJ10 on 21 May 2009 - 13:05
Dogs as a species are less susceptible to salmonella than humans, so I wouldn't worry about the raw egg yolks.
However, dogs fed raw diets do shed salmonella in their stools. I read an article on this somewhere. Let me see if I can find it.
However, dogs fed raw diets do shed salmonella in their stools. I read an article on this somewhere. Let me see if I can find it.
by jayne241 on 21 May 2009 - 13:05
Ok here's my raw story.
Yes I've been adding some raw to the diet. All is well.
Except for one time. There was this pork roast that had been in the fridge about a month... it was in the bottom drawer, and I thought maybe it had been cold enough to still be good. I got it out, I trimmed off the fatty parts, and I put it in the crock pot.
I put the trimmings in the fridge in a baggie.
That night at dinner, my kids are saying they don't want to eat it. I tell them they have to at least try it. Meanwhile, I'm giving Onni the raw trimmings. I sit down to dinner. I notice Onni looks like she's about to throw up. I rush her outside, where, you guessed it, the raw month-old pork comes back up.
I rush inside and yell for my kids to freeze! To not eat the meat. One of my kids was just about to take a bite.
If the dog can't keep it down, the humans shouldn't eat it. LOL
Feeding my dog raw saved us from a very unpleasant few days.
ETA: Onni was absolutely fine at the next meal.
Yes I've been adding some raw to the diet. All is well.
Except for one time. There was this pork roast that had been in the fridge about a month... it was in the bottom drawer, and I thought maybe it had been cold enough to still be good. I got it out, I trimmed off the fatty parts, and I put it in the crock pot.
I put the trimmings in the fridge in a baggie.
That night at dinner, my kids are saying they don't want to eat it. I tell them they have to at least try it. Meanwhile, I'm giving Onni the raw trimmings. I sit down to dinner. I notice Onni looks like she's about to throw up. I rush her outside, where, you guessed it, the raw month-old pork comes back up.
I rush inside and yell for my kids to freeze! To not eat the meat. One of my kids was just about to take a bite.
If the dog can't keep it down, the humans shouldn't eat it. LOL
Feeding my dog raw saved us from a very unpleasant few days.
ETA: Onni was absolutely fine at the next meal.

by MaggieMae on 21 May 2009 - 13:05
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by London on 21 May 2009 - 15:05
MaggieMae, some people are concerned about trichinosis in raw pork. I feed my guys loads of raw pork with no problems. Dogs do have a different digestive system than we do. If it's a concern, just freeze it for a bit (I think a month is the norm). As for the glucosamine, why don't you try feeding chicken feet (they have loads of glucosamine)? Plus, they make fun treats & will keep the puppy chewing which also helps bring ears up. I feed them frozen....footsicles :-) You can usually find them in Asian markets. They really inexpensive too

by TessJ10 on 21 May 2009 - 15:05
Always good to be safe, but trichinosis is not the problem it used to be:
"Trichinosis is not common in the US anymore, mostly due to changes in the methods of feeding of pigs over the last 30 years. (They don't feed them the raw intestines from slaughtered hogs ground up with their feed like they used to do - this was the main avenue of contamination on hog farms)." Source: http://www.askthemeatman.com/pork_Trichinosis.htm
London's correct about freezing for a month. But not all freezers are the right coldness (-5 to -10 degrees Fahrenheit).
More from healthline: http://www.healthline.com/channel/trichinosis_news
Salmonella & dogs: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=339295
Important to note is that while our dogs don't seem to be too susceptible to salmonella, they DO shed it not only in their feces but in their saliva. So they don't have problems from the raw diet, but we need to remember that they are shedding it in their saliva as well as their stools. If you have children or you or someone in your household is immuno-compromised.......BE AWARE.
"Trichinosis is not common in the US anymore, mostly due to changes in the methods of feeding of pigs over the last 30 years. (They don't feed them the raw intestines from slaughtered hogs ground up with their feed like they used to do - this was the main avenue of contamination on hog farms)." Source: http://www.askthemeatman.com/pork_Trichinosis.htm
London's correct about freezing for a month. But not all freezers are the right coldness (-5 to -10 degrees Fahrenheit).
More from healthline: http://www.healthline.com/channel/trichinosis_news
Salmonella & dogs: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=339295
Important to note is that while our dogs don't seem to be too susceptible to salmonella, they DO shed it not only in their feces but in their saliva. So they don't have problems from the raw diet, but we need to remember that they are shedding it in their saliva as well as their stools. If you have children or you or someone in your household is immuno-compromised.......BE AWARE.

by MaggieMae on 21 May 2009 - 17:05
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by Rik on 21 May 2009 - 21:05
Maggie, when I take my dogs walking on my farm, they scarf up every bit of "rabbit, cow, goose and goat s**t they can get to.
I've had them scrap road kill off the pavement before I could get to them and drink from the dirtiest, nastiest mud holes you can imagine. And other than coccidia or giardia in a pup, I've never had issues.
In over 30 years of very serious involvement with dogs, I've never had one diagnosed with salmonela or trichinosis. It is just not a concern for me.
YMMV,
Rik
I've had them scrap road kill off the pavement before I could get to them and drink from the dirtiest, nastiest mud holes you can imagine. And other than coccidia or giardia in a pup, I've never had issues.
In over 30 years of very serious involvement with dogs, I've never had one diagnosed with salmonela or trichinosis. It is just not a concern for me.
YMMV,
Rik
by TessJ10 on 21 May 2009 - 23:05
I don't think Maggie should be worried, either, as long as she takes normal precautions, but remember, "diagnosed with salmonella" and shedding salmonella are two totally different things. Normal, healthy dogs can shed the salmonella bacteria - I think it's something like up to 36% of normal, healthy dogs shed it without being sick of salmonellosis. So a definite minority, but still the reality is one should be careful because a healthy dog could be shedding it.
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