GSD IMPROVEMENT PLAN (GSDIP) UK-REPORT - Page 2

Quote - "The KC stated that they have no powers to implement mandatory regulations on the dogs registered with them"

UTTER TOSH ! ANOTHER KC SCAM !! AND ONE OUR GSDP NOW FELL FOR ??!!
 
The KC don't need any more POWER to do this, above that which it already has i.e. To simply refuse any litter registration where the parents have not complied with a BREED SPECIFIC HEALTH QUALIFICATION i.e Attained a GSDBC BREED SURVEY pass.  

Quote - "They acknowledged our need , but emphasised that the policy of mandatory health regulations can only be endorsed legally by the Goverment and that they have taken up this issue with the particular Associated Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare but the KC stressed that to implement statutory law/change will not happen quickly"

MORE TOSH !!  And upon reading the rest of the document IT BECOMES ABSOLUTELY CLEAR there is NOTHING LEFT FOR OUR GSDP TO CONTINUE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT !! Unless of course those talking felt comfortable occupying seats in a droconian palace for status seeking, power hungry hypocrites. Which without doing everything possible to decrease the  health problems in dogs insted of making lame excuses as to why they can't. People such as those wearing KENNEL CLUB MEMBERSHIP BADGES as if they are important which now to me ARE AS RELEVENT TO UPHOLDING THE WELFARE OF DOGS as  A 5yr OLD CHILD IS TO LAW AND ORDER WHEN WEARING HIS SHINY 'Tin Pot' SHERRIFF'S BADGE !!

Lets be clear, THE GOVERMENT WILL NEVER bring is legislation for this if only because it would be impossible to uphold and regulate. LETS GET SERIOUS FOLKS, for starter our Police Force has enough to do without running around arresting people for breeding dogs without first having their HIPS XRAYED. And the accumulated brains of our GSDP could NOT SEE THIS?

I leave you with one final quote - "The KC did say there were ultimately no barriers to implementing mandatory tests for any breed." (Er excuse me a moment, earlier didn't they say there was? ?) " i.e. Goverment Legislation for example?
"They stated that if the majority of breeders conformed to the Accredited Breeders Scheme(ABS) then the individual breeds could set the standard as befits their specific breed themselves" HUH ?? AH !! Do they mean if we all run around doing their work for them, like getting you all to sign up to this hypocritical ABS scheme thus in a round about way run around collecting money from you all to fill up the KC Coffers, then, perhaps, maybe, possibly, the KC might, could, will think about, may offer some crumbs off the table. IF IT WAS'NT SO SERIOUSLY SAD I WOULD FALL OFF MY CHAIR LAUGHING AT THE FACT THE KC THINK US DOWN RIGHT GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO SWALLOW SUCH TOSH, EITHER THAT OR SOME OF US ARE PREPARED TO SWALLOW ANYTHING FOR A SEAT AT THEIR TABLE. Well folks, NOT ME !!! I can spot a scam when it's thrown at me thankyou very much, its just a shame other such prominent people in our breed cannot.

  IF THE KC WONT DO IT, THEN WE MUST.

regards
Sue b

Must go see to my dogs now, but intend to be back in a few hours with a constructive idea WITH A VIEW TO THE FUTURE.
Best Regards
Sue

READ & DOWNLOAD & PRINT THE "GSD PARTNERSHIP" UPDATE
REGARDING THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE KENNEL CLUB
HERE
http://www.videxgsd.com/whats_new.htm

 

Malcolm Griffiths once made a comment to me, which is applicable more so now than when he made it in 1985,and more to the point, about roughly the same type of people.  In 1985 he was alluding to the GSDL council, now it could be applied to the GSD partnership.  Hindsight tells us, that  in 1985 had those people seized  the moment to breakaway, we would not even be debating this matter now, because we would have controlled our own destiny. At the present time as an individual, i despair of these people being given chance after chance to act on our behalf, when in fact as Susie says in her earlier post they may be seeking their own agenda's.  I have written many times on this message board that it is time the GSD partnership was held to account by the majority.  What was the pearl of wisdom utterred by Malcolm all those years ago ? It was THOSE THAT CAN, DO. THOSE THAT CANT, TALK ABOUT IT, THEN FORM A COMMITTEE. I always thought of him as a visionary, how right he was.

   Regards Paul Rattigan.

Liz, apologies for not returning yesterday but the weather was too good to miss spending more time out in it yesterday.

Just a quick list of ideas today because I am going out dog training in an hour.

IMO Accredited breeder is the wrong conception, even the most reputable breeders breed from dogs with a variety of standards. Some with higher hips than others, some with elbows scored, others without, some with Survey passes others without having attended a survey, etc, etc. Just another reason why I AM AGAINST the KC Accredited Breeder Scheme.
Therefore what I am saying is that main FOCUS SHOULD be on the QUALITY 

THIS WAS ACCIDENTLY SUBMITTED BEFORE COMPLETION, SO PLEASE SEE COMPLETED POST BELOW.

Sue

 

for paulie:

surely malcolm griffiths is the last person to give advice on breeding-didn't the crimnal justice system get him for false matings and pedigrees.

Liz, apologies for not returning yesterday but the weather was too good to miss spending more time out in it yesterday.

Just a quick list of ideas today because I am going out dog training in an hour.

IMO Accredited breeder is the wrong conception, even the most reputable breeders breed from dogs with a variety of standards. Some with higher hips than others, some with elbows scored, others without, some with Survey passes others without having attended a survey, etc, etc. Just another reason why I AM AGAINST the KC Accredited Breeder Scheme.
So what I am saying is that in my mind the main FOCUS SHOULD be on the QUALITY AND BREED WORTH of EACH INDIVIDUAL LITTER , rather than THE INDIVIDUAL BREEDER, and that of course would be dependant upon the HEALTH AND QUALITY of the PARENTS. Meaning what we should have is ACCREDITED LITTERS as apposed to an ACCREDITED BREEDER, but WITH ONE MORE CONDITION, in order to be the Breeder of an ACCREDITED LITTER, that Breeder MUST BE A MEMBER OF A GSD BREED CLUB, which in turn is a MEMBER OF THE GSD BREED COUNCIL.

We have the Breed Council Survey, but to me we do not use it nor advertise it enough. We have a Breed Council Database that AGAIN we do not use enough to anything near its full advantage, We have a Breed Council Website, another TOOL that we PAY FOR AND YET DO NOT USE TO ITS FULL ADVANTAGE. So here are some idea's , lets call them my starters for ten;- (PLEASE EVERYBODY FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR NUMBERED IDEA'S TO THE LIST) This could be a JOINT VENTURE for us all to take part in.

1. Every dog acquiring a BC Survey graded pass 'Fit for Breeding' should be listed in ALPHABETICAL order on a seperate DEDICATED page on our BC WEBSITE - under the heading BC SURVEY CLASSIFICATION of GSD's graded FIT FOR BREEDING.

2. Then we should ENSURE that this BC page is kept HIGH UP in the Search Engines with lists entered for Searches such as GERMAN SHEPHERDS FIT FOR PURPOSE, SUITABLE FOR BREEDING, ACCREDITED LITTERS.

3. Breeders with ACCREDITED LITTERS available (for the sum of £10 per year) should have unlimited ADVERTISING of ANY ACCREDITED LITTER they are either expecting and/or have available for sale.

4. Encourage Breeders of these litters to obtain a BC Litter Registration (in addition to the Registration they get from the KC). However, these BC Litter Registrations WOULD / MUST CONTAIN the relevant BC Survey Pass as well as ALL THE RELEVENT BREEDING RECOMMENDATIONS of the Surveyor, ALONG WITH Inidividual I.D chip or tattoo number, and ALL HEALTH DETAILS i.e Hips, elbows, DNA etc etc.

5. From NOW ON ALL GRADINGS made by SV Judges at Shows, especially at the BRITISH SIEGER SHOW, should be entered under the Dogs name on the BC Database. An extra £1 per entry could be levied for this. These Show Grades will then also form part of the BC Pedigree AND SHOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO THE BC SURVEYOR to help aid the quality assessment of the animale at time of doing the Survey.

6. Advertising Leaflets should be printed explaining the GSD BREED COUNCILS NEW INITIATIVE of ONLY PROMOTING LITTERs FROM HEALTH & QUALITY SURVEYED STOCK attaining a Pass as 'FIT FOR PURPOSE, FIT FOR BREEDING'.

7. Once all these suggestions are in place we should also contact The National Weekly Dog Press with a written document detailing this INTIATIVE and within it an AIM TO ENCOURAGING OTHER BREEDS to pick up the batan and DO THE SAME for their own breed.

8. ALL ABOVE SUGGESTIONS ARE SO EASY TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ALMOST IMMEDIATE EFFECT. Planning and work mainly on the part of the BC Database Administrator and so to start with we may need to GENERATE SOME FUNDS to pay the Keeper of the BC Database for all the extra work they will need to do to start with.

Well that's it for now from me. Now its YOUR TURN, please ADD YOUR IDEA's to yo