Lie about hip scores?

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by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 21:04

Hellooo? The hip rating is on the breed survey.
What? NO BREED SURVEY???
Ahem!

by hodie on 08 April 2009 - 21:04

The problem is that all of you know this, but the novice GSD owner to be usually does not. ERGO, they get taken. Someone should add this subject to the threads on Breeders and Buyers beware that Mystere started and which are quite good lists of what to look for when considering the purchase of a dog. The same information would apply in some cases to other situations, like considering a particular stud dog etc.

by W Miller on 08 April 2009 - 21:04

Got the web site, thanks much. This is not a good day for my kid. I signed him up for German this year and last specifically so he could read pedigrees and all the other dog related stuff. So, I just asked him to translate this stuff for me and he couldn't do it. I may have been too sharp in my verbal correction as I see he just stomped upstairs. Damm golden retriever personality. Don't know where that came from.
Warren

by SitasMom on 09 April 2009 - 11:04

The problem is that all of you know this, but the novice GSD owner to be usually does not. ERGO, they get taken.

One of the pillers of our SchH club training the public, including "parking lot sellers and buyers" of the hip, elbow, dna, and titles............When every we get a chance, we go out into the public and do our best to convince people be etnical in their breeding and educated in their buying.

As breeders, trainers, and GSD lovers in general, its up to every one of us educate and try to convince these people to do the right thing.

by ShelleyR on 09 April 2009 - 13:04

Our club does a lot of that too. Trouble is, by the time they find us, they usually have at least one badly-bred dog, sometimes 2.

by Hukka on 09 April 2009 - 16:04

animules wrote:Sooooo, I go over the SV site and do a search.

You have to remember if you use the SV web site for hip search, they are not all there. To get accurate info you would have to buy the CD.

by Kalibeck on 09 April 2009 - 16:04

It boggles the mind that folks would lie about something so easily verified.....then once you've been caught, you've lost your reputation forever.....why would it be worth it? JMHO jh (I know it happens--just sayin')

by ShelleyR on 09 April 2009 - 16:04

Way better just to bribe the vet tech.
Argh...

"hd is like herpes... The Gift That Keeps on Giving!"

by Rezkat5 on 09 April 2009 - 18:04

Sad but true. "joe public" buying a dog would not know that they could look up the hip scores on both the OFA and SV websites.

Also, if the dog's hips are submitted to the SV for a hip/elbow rating that score will be on the dog's original pedigree.

One of the reasons I also submitted to the OFA was that, that rating would also show up on the AKC papers as well if the dog was bred. Feel like I'm doing my own homework when thinking about breeding my dog.

K

by Mystere on 09 April 2009 - 18:04

Why surprised?  How many lies have we seen blown from a breeders OWN website? Countless!

I agree wholeheartedly with Hodie--the novices/newbies are too often victimized by this crap.

One day, Tina, I will tell you in detail what I learned about Magic's background, after she was about 4 yo and already titled, hips cert., etc. The short version is that:
(1) The breeder lied to newbie me about the mother's hips. They were not OFA'd---in fact, the x-rays were never sent to OFA. They were done at the vet school in Pullman and one hip was severely dsyplastic!

(2) The breeder lied about how many puppies were in the litter. He told me 10 the week the puppies were born. Well, newbie-me didn't know enough to even wonder when I got the pup's AKC registration and it had "11" as the last number.

(3) Breeder had a friend "babysit" the litter at her home while renovating his kennel.  This Friend was also a friend of Karen's.    (Which is why I was FINALLY told anything!!)

Friend had been present at birth of litter and seen it several times in the interim. She was aware of 7 pups being born.   The breeder dropped off 9, along with paperwork (he had potential buyers, who were to go see puppies at Friend's house) and the mother's documents. Friend snooped and found, to her horror, the radiologist's report on the bitch's hips. That report was that the right hip was severely dysplastic. Friend could also count, so she ws appalled at the appearance of two additional puppies. She didn't know that more than nine had apparently been registered, until four years later, when she and I finally talked.

Now, you know why Magic was never bred. I could never be absolutely sure that she was "who" she was supposed to be. I got the right puppy from that litter for schutzhund. I am convinced she was one of the "original" seven, because she did have the sire's beautiful head. I was able to spot half-siblings all over Washington by that head. But, given what I learned from Friend...

I confirmed with the AKC that the number "11" on Magic's registration meant that "at least" 11 pups were registered for that litter.

The AKC being the AKC, they had no interest in the 7 becoming 9 becoming "at least" 11.

Yes, I did have words with the breeder.

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