Picture taking at Events - discussion - Page 2

John:

Diferent laws everywhere, but normally, photos in a public place are fair game, unless their taken under stairwells, up skirts, etc. :)

I am also glad that I took photos of dogs both doing well and doing poorly, because every once in a while some doofus will post an ad touting puppies, stud fees, or training skills, etc that are clearly not merited. In such rare cases I will call out the dog handler and remind him/her of the OTHER photos that I have on hand which do not necessarily reinforce the image of their dog as the superstar they claim it to be. Fortunately, usually these problems are "self correcting" once they realize who holds *all the images* - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Luckily, I have not had to do this often. I wish I would never have to do this again.

John, if a club is putting on an event, they are renting the facility and have a say on what goes. 

If you post the rules it will be much easier for them to be enforced.  You can not enforce something that isn't posted when the event has spectators.  They are not or may not be members of the club so they don't know the rule.

Personally I don't care who has ponies, dogs, cars, horses or what ever.  You can't easily enforce something that isn't posted.

Val

I have never even heard of "no pictures allowed" at any club trial, show or event of any nature - and I've been involved in Schutzhund sport at every level for 16 years - and horse sport at many levels/disciplines for 30+ years.  Where I go, my camera goes.  At first just to snap shots of my own dogs/horses and friends - but nowadays I have a pretty good camera and enjoy taking pictures.  I take pictures at events, of anyone I know or dogs I like - and never got any flak for doing it - when I go home I normally edit the pictures I think turned out ok and send them to the persons privately for their own use/enjoyment.  No charge - just because I enjoy taking pictures and enjoy sharing them.  I only ask if the pics are used in public that I am given photographer credit.

Never had a problem - I was good friends with Doug Loving who used to take the professional pictures at most big events - and he also never had a problem with me or others snapping pictures as we wanted.

Why would a club not allow pictures taken?  Is there something to hide?  I would be very surprised if someone told me to put away my camera- never heard of such a thing.  And at the WUSV every other person had a  video camera out and running - did they ask permission of the competitors before doing that?  I dont' think - we were also at training where many competitors from different teams were practising - video cameras out.  No problem that I saw.

molly

luvmedogs said:  "well, imo public place + open sport = free to take photos"

However, many of these are NOT public places but on private property.  Different set of rules apply. 

Then POST the rules so people don't have to guess.

I think people expect dogs to perform 100% correct all the time and I just don't understand it.  They are animals and can have off days.  Have you ever watched National show jumping on TV and seen these highly trained horses refuse a jump, I have.  Is it because they weren't trained well, I doubt it, I think it comes down to they are animals and had an off day and the announcers will usually say that.

Val

Why wouldn't you take photos?  Getting to the trial field is a major accomplishment and result notwithstanding, a memory.  I think that maybe people started to get nervous when the Sieger Show videos made it to YouTube.  Of course, private trials may be a different thing entirely and I am suprised that outsiders would even be allowed to enter, let alone know when it was happening.  Didn't this come up in the WDA under Ken Downing about a club in CA?

Lorri

This was a club trial held on private property with some novice handlers  and some experienced handlers just trying to enjoy their dogs and the sport, not trying to compete at world level events. There was absolutely nothing to hide and anyone suggesting there was something to hide must be a person who likes to stir up trouble elsewhere so that fingers do not get pointed at them.
Focus on your own dog and abilities.  If you  need pictures to know the difference between a good performance and a bad one then maybe you should consider another hobby/sport.

Also, anyone familiar with the sport at all should know that you should ask the judge and handlers at a club trial before taking pictures. 
Too many people are so unhappy with their own lives that they spend their lives trying to rip other people apart to make themselves feel better. How sad?

That is correct these are club traing grounds and is private property. I think if you would have looked you would seen that house setting there.PRIVATE PROPERTY.

so if the event is on my property and i post  no pictures without consent,  so be it.

john