This is a placeholder text
Group text
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 27 March 2009 - 16:03
++With the above senerio, even though made up, I have seen similar instances played out. Why would there be such a huge pricing diff.? ++
Who cares. If someone doesnt bother to find out why or have the insentive to talk and meet with people about a dog they are supposedly interested in.....they will never know ++why ++and let them buy the cheapest or whatever dog they want. let Good breeders sell and find good homesat prices they feel are appropriate... they is variance especially in North America as it is a huge contenent with many variances in economic levels, etc...buyers are not forced. .. I have never been forced to pay for anything I didnt want.
I find that most people who are obsessed on price have never even botherd to meet people or the dogs and are full of shit.Many are just other breeders with confidence deficiencies trying to find something negative about others.
Debi
www.webstarts.com/sherman-ranch
Who cares. If someone doesnt bother to find out why or have the insentive to talk and meet with people about a dog they are supposedly interested in.....they will never know ++why ++and let them buy the cheapest or whatever dog they want. let Good breeders sell and find good homesat prices they feel are appropriate... they is variance especially in North America as it is a huge contenent with many variances in economic levels, etc...buyers are not forced. .. I have never been forced to pay for anything I didnt want.
I find that most people who are obsessed on price have never even botherd to meet people or the dogs and are full of shit.Many are just other breeders with confidence deficiencies trying to find something negative about others.
Debi
www.webstarts.com/sherman-ranch
by VonIsengard on 27 March 2009 - 16:03
You have to bear in mind the market you live in as well. I live in the Chicagoland area, where pups from top showline breeders go for as much as $2500-4500. We also have many glorified GSD farms who have the audacity to charge $1000-$2000 for generation after generation of crap. For me, pricing my pups from SchH titled, KKl parents was very hard. I wanted to separate the quality of my dogs from the dogs in the newspaper, but wanted to charge a fair price for buyers as well. Luckily for me, most of my pups have gone to people I know. I've sold them for $800 up to $1500. I determine the price based on the pups' individual quality, the current market in my area, and the buyer themself. I have happily discounted puppies to proven working homes. I think my guarantees are pretty damn fair, too.
I also tend to compare pups from top, well known, kennels to buying a designer bag. Yes, you are usually getting a quality product, but you are also largely paying for the prestige of a the name attached to it. Nobodies like me have 0 "prestige".
I also tend to compare pups from top, well known, kennels to buying a designer bag. Yes, you are usually getting a quality product, but you are also largely paying for the prestige of a the name attached to it. Nobodies like me have 0 "prestige".
by northwoodsGSD on 27 March 2009 - 23:03
Debi......No need to get yourself all worked up over one question. Just don't bother posting next time, if it bothers you so much. Geesh!!!
KCzaja, mirasmom & TessJ10........ thank you for taking the time to post a reasonable & helpful responses.
KCzaja, mirasmom & TessJ10........ thank you for taking the time to post a reasonable & helpful responses.
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 28 March 2009 - 01:03
Debi......No need to get yourself all worked up over one question. Just don't bother posting next time, if it bothers you so much. Geesh!!!+++
Well sometimes email/posts sound more worked up then actually are Especially in between dog bathings on a nice breezy spring day ( whoo hooo helps with air drying :) .if you knew me you would know I dont get too worked up. Perhaps I could have exspressed myself more tastefully.. I agree.
Debi
www.webstarts.com/sherman-ranch
Well sometimes email/posts sound more worked up then actually are Especially in between dog bathings on a nice breezy spring day ( whoo hooo helps with air drying :) .if you knew me you would know I dont get too worked up. Perhaps I could have exspressed myself more tastefully.. I agree.
Debi
www.webstarts.com/sherman-ranch
by northwoodsGSD on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
no hard feelings :) although I'm a bit jealous it's nice enough for you to bathe dogs. It's snowing here
by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
I paid $1,000 for my last GSD just last summer and another $1,000 shipping and import dutry.... I had no idea the shipping and duty costs were going to be that high.... I coulda flown to Europe for two weeks for that kind of dough... every time I look at her, I think she should have a jewelled tiara on her head, the expensive little princess, hahahahaha!!! but we adore her completely and when she cuddles up with us on a cold night - it's like being in love with a live wool blanket.
by Trafalgar on 28 March 2009 - 20:03
As a general rule puppies that are desired by the greatest number of people - tend towards ever increasing prices until the "tipping point" comes. That tipping point being the dollar amount at which inquiries radically drop off.
Example:
Female Yorkie - very tiny (less than 2 lbs at 12 weeks) will fetch $ 1500.00 or more regardless of the fact that neither of her parents are health tested or titled in ANYTHING.
Pick of litter male black & white Pointer pup - sire is a multiple time field trial winner (who has produced field trial winners in previous litters) - sells for LESS than the Yorkie puppy above. Go figure.
The point being that QUALITY, TALENT and ACHIEVEMENT doesn't determine price - desirability does.
Consider Malinois.
Things are changing but pups from world class litters can still be had for the amount you'd pay for an average GSD workingline litter and significantly less than you'd pay for a pup from a mediocre German Showline litter.
I'm not sure what price AKC show pups fetch. Personally I never knew anyone who wanted one. I imagine significantly less than the average German Showline - because so many fewer want one.
Right now blocky headed very dark black sables seem to be the type of look most "working line" people want (funny that they even care) so....I imagine the blackest, cobbiest pups in the litters have an edge in selling first. This will lead to higher pricing - if the winds of taste don't shift too soon.
Therefore, folks selling pups probably try to offer their dogs at prices slightly higher than their "category" routinely dictates and adjust according to happestance of their own puppy sales.
imo, of course.
Example:
Female Yorkie - very tiny (less than 2 lbs at 12 weeks) will fetch $ 1500.00 or more regardless of the fact that neither of her parents are health tested or titled in ANYTHING.
Pick of litter male black & white Pointer pup - sire is a multiple time field trial winner (who has produced field trial winners in previous litters) - sells for LESS than the Yorkie puppy above. Go figure.
The point being that QUALITY, TALENT and ACHIEVEMENT doesn't determine price - desirability does.
Consider Malinois.
Things are changing but pups from world class litters can still be had for the amount you'd pay for an average GSD workingline litter and significantly less than you'd pay for a pup from a mediocre German Showline litter.
I'm not sure what price AKC show pups fetch. Personally I never knew anyone who wanted one. I imagine significantly less than the average German Showline - because so many fewer want one.
Right now blocky headed very dark black sables seem to be the type of look most "working line" people want (funny that they even care) so....I imagine the blackest, cobbiest pups in the litters have an edge in selling first. This will lead to higher pricing - if the winds of taste don't shift too soon.
Therefore, folks selling pups probably try to offer their dogs at prices slightly higher than their "category" routinely dictates and adjust according to happestance of their own puppy sales.
imo, of course.
by TessJ10 on 28 March 2009 - 22:03
"Is it your opinion then, that the parents & g-parents of bitch #2 are "not good" because they have lower Schh ratings & American titles(CH, CDX,etc)?"
Not at all. Not in my opinion. But in my limited experience it seems to me that a lot of people active in SchH really knock any and all AKC titles. I do not agree with this, I'm just saying that I hear it around me. And of course a SchH person wouldn't care at all for any AKC titles like CH or CDX because there's no tracking, no protection - so it's no help to them in determining fitness for their SchH sport. But if I was looking for a dog to show in AKC shows, yes, that would mean something to me, but if looking for a SchH dog, I'd want to see SchH titles. I do have this fantasy of seeing BOTH.....(LOL). I was at the Lehigh GSD Specialty a few weeks ago and they were giving away old copies of the GSD Quarterly from 20 years ago. Interesting to look through the ads - you actually saw AKC Champions with SchH titles behind them in a number of the ads. Pretty cool.
But back to the original question: generally speaking, I'd think the pups (sire being the same dog) would bring more if they're from a dam who has titles of her own, whatever they may be, as opposed to a dam who has no titles of her own. I'd wonder why she had nothing. And if a GSD, I'd wonder why she was bred at all if she has no titles.
Sure, you could put a SchH 1 on a mediocre bitch from mediocre lines and her pups may not bring as much as an untitled bitch from stellar lines - that's possible, which is why I said "generally speaking.".
Not at all. Not in my opinion. But in my limited experience it seems to me that a lot of people active in SchH really knock any and all AKC titles. I do not agree with this, I'm just saying that I hear it around me. And of course a SchH person wouldn't care at all for any AKC titles like CH or CDX because there's no tracking, no protection - so it's no help to them in determining fitness for their SchH sport. But if I was looking for a dog to show in AKC shows, yes, that would mean something to me, but if looking for a SchH dog, I'd want to see SchH titles. I do have this fantasy of seeing BOTH.....(LOL). I was at the Lehigh GSD Specialty a few weeks ago and they were giving away old copies of the GSD Quarterly from 20 years ago. Interesting to look through the ads - you actually saw AKC Champions with SchH titles behind them in a number of the ads. Pretty cool.
But back to the original question: generally speaking, I'd think the pups (sire being the same dog) would bring more if they're from a dam who has titles of her own, whatever they may be, as opposed to a dam who has no titles of her own. I'd wonder why she had nothing. And if a GSD, I'd wonder why she was bred at all if she has no titles.
Sure, you could put a SchH 1 on a mediocre bitch from mediocre lines and her pups may not bring as much as an untitled bitch from stellar lines - that's possible, which is why I said "generally speaking.".
by northwoodsGSD on 29 March 2009 - 00:03
Thanks for all the replies! It is interesting to see how things differ (or not) from breed to breed, as I use to be intensly involved with Labs(field lines).
by Xeph on 29 March 2009 - 00:03
For the general Amline inquiry, they go for around $1000 (starting) for show quality puppies (also dependent on area). $2000 seems to be the max
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top