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by Bob McKown on 23 March 2009 - 15:03
Held:
My freind you should relax a bit, To each his own If I go into this purchase knowing right up frt what the criteria is of the purchase I,ve got nothing to worry about. My Axel was sold to me with full registration as a pup that was fine, my Fiest was sold to me on limited regs with the understanding that when she was ofa,d and has a preformance title on her I could get full regs, in my opinion thats not a problem nor a issue. Thats fine if you disagree but it,s definetly not stupid.
My freind you should relax a bit, To each his own If I go into this purchase knowing right up frt what the criteria is of the purchase I,ve got nothing to worry about. My Axel was sold to me with full registration as a pup that was fine, my Fiest was sold to me on limited regs with the understanding that when she was ofa,d and has a preformance title on her I could get full regs, in my opinion thats not a problem nor a issue. Thats fine if you disagree but it,s definetly not stupid.
by Two Moons on 23 March 2009 - 16:03
Its a breeders right to do what they want, as long as its explained to the buyer up front.
Its the buyers choice to accept or go else where.
The criteria isn't important.
Its the buyers choice to accept or go else where.
The criteria isn't important.
by Horse30189 on 23 March 2009 - 20:03
IF I was a breeder, I'd sell the entire litter with Limited Registration. Until the dog has had genetic testing done on hips/elbows, etc. AND received a valid title (CGC not counting - sorry), then I would speak with the owner about possibly lifting the Limited Registration on the dog.
by Kelly M Shaw on 23 March 2009 - 22:03
I have sold and sell ALL my puppies male's/female's on a limited registration. To me this protects the puppy (dog) from being bred before they at least have their hips done, protects the breeder's reputation, as well as the owner of the dog from doing something stupid before it's time. If they meet the criteria that is required on my guarantee contract then I lift the limited and change it to a full if desired. I have done this for a very long time with no complaints. I do let everyone know upfront about my limited registration on the pups as well.
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
by Kaffirdog on 24 March 2009 - 09:03
I endorse all my puppies registrations and sell them only as companions or training prospects, I simply do not sell puppies as breeding stock. This is made clear at time of enquiry and also clearly stated on the receipt at time of purchase. I have the option of lifting the endorsement in the future if I am satisified the adult is suitable for breeding and the owner has the knowledge, facilities and desire to take full responsibility for any puppies they produce, but I am under no obligation to do so and I can be as sure as possible that casual breeding if deterred. If it loses me a few sales, they were probably not sales I would want to make anyway, I'd rather my pups went to people who did not expect them to earn their keep anyway.
In the pedigree cat world, it is normal practise to sell kittens with limited registration as pets at one price and considerably more for full registration, it is just the way it is done and nobody seem to think it odd or an infringement of their rights of ownership.
Margaret N-J
In the pedigree cat world, it is normal practise to sell kittens with limited registration as pets at one price and considerably more for full registration, it is just the way it is done and nobody seem to think it odd or an infringement of their rights of ownership.
Margaret N-J
by Kelly M Shaw on 24 March 2009 - 13:03
To me the limited is the best thing to do. Any Tom or Harry can tell you that they won't do any kind of breeding, and down the road they do without any kind of health certificates, etc. This is just a way to stop any good talking byb's or anyone else from breeding before they have any health checks done, etc on the dog. People can talk a good talk and unfortunately there are a lot of them out there. The limited just protects everyone all the way around, IMHO.
by Baldursmom on 24 March 2009 - 13:03
What if the reason for the limitation was that the pup was a coat?
by Kelly M Shaw on 24 March 2009 - 13:03
If it's b/c the pup is a coat then that breeder should acknowledge that to the buyer of that puppy, as well as acknowledge that there would be a possibility that the limited will never be removed. The breeder should tell the buyer if the limited is permanent or can be removed if what the breeder require's is done, that's JMHO.
Kel
Kel
by spernagsds on 24 March 2009 - 14:03
Any reputable breeder will let the buyer know up front that the pup is sold with a limited registration AND the criteria for lifting it off if that is what they, the buyer, eventually would want. Maybe the pup will never be or have the necessary criteria for full registration. People buying for "pet " purposes are usually not interested in a full registration anyway. It is the breeders responsibility to let buyers know this and for buyers to be clear on what they tell the breeder they want.
Also, HELD said:
"Also these so baleed breeders who want protect blood lines in majority of the cases these are not their lines to protect so this is a bullshit reason."
Well, I would hope the people who bought my pup would have respect for the bloodlines of the dog, regardless if I developed the lines myself or not. I certainly respect the lines of my dogs as well and I expect the same in return... I can guarantee that there wont be a bunch of puppies bred by backyard breeders with my dogs names attached, simply by limiting the registration. They can breed without health clearances, under age, or whatever but the offspring sure cannot be registered. People are out to make money... we all know this for fact. A pup without papers is worth nill... unless theyre happy with a couple hundred bucks, if that per pup... and some are... But limited gives me a small piece of mind that I am doing the right thing by the breed. It sure beats the hell out of saying, "here ya go, I really dont care what happens beyond this point. I have my money. You can breed the hell out of this pup, and make some money, because I let you have a full registration".
There will NEVER be a median point to this issue. I am satisfied with what I provide as a service to my customers. They appreciate that I do this, It shows I care and I want to know what is happening with the pups that leave my kennel.
Shannan :)
Also, HELD said:
"Also these so baleed breeders who want protect blood lines in majority of the cases these are not their lines to protect so this is a bullshit reason."
Well, I would hope the people who bought my pup would have respect for the bloodlines of the dog, regardless if I developed the lines myself or not. I certainly respect the lines of my dogs as well and I expect the same in return... I can guarantee that there wont be a bunch of puppies bred by backyard breeders with my dogs names attached, simply by limiting the registration. They can breed without health clearances, under age, or whatever but the offspring sure cannot be registered. People are out to make money... we all know this for fact. A pup without papers is worth nill... unless theyre happy with a couple hundred bucks, if that per pup... and some are... But limited gives me a small piece of mind that I am doing the right thing by the breed. It sure beats the hell out of saying, "here ya go, I really dont care what happens beyond this point. I have my money. You can breed the hell out of this pup, and make some money, because I let you have a full registration".
There will NEVER be a median point to this issue. I am satisfied with what I provide as a service to my customers. They appreciate that I do this, It shows I care and I want to know what is happening with the pups that leave my kennel.
Shannan :)
by LynOD on 24 March 2009 - 21:03
You don't want to give full registration you shouldn't expect to be paid in full then either.
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