do really know were and how american shepherd started??? - Page 2

july9000, you mention you breed show dogs and then you go on to mention that they can jump. What are they jumping? If you are judging your dogs jumping abilities on the standard schutzhund jumps, then I believe your dogs jumping abilities might be over estimated. Now if you are judging your dogs jumping abilities on ring sport jumps, and they can clear  them full  height, then you have a dog that can jump.

One of the biggest factors in the destruction of the Shepherd in the USA was the ascendance of kennels like Covy Tucker (Gloria Burch and Cappy Pottle) over kennels like Caralon (Scooty Sherlock).  Of course it helps when you are the judge at the Specialty Shows and you make your own breeding the winners.  That is how Covy Tucker gained such prominence in the Specialty ring.  In the All Breed ring, more normal looking and moving Shepherds were still winning.  Covy Tucker imported some German Showlines to "improve" their breeding stock.  Everyone wants to go home with "winners ribbons" and "champions" and at one time in the not too distant past, buying a "show quality" Covy Tucker was almost a guarantee.

I had a female, WGR working lines, who had a long snout, incredible coat and a VERY long full tail.  I took her to a local DVG person trainer and she immediately said, we don't work with Covy Tuckers.  They were sick of the sharp nervey fear biter temperaments and considered it incurable.  I had to reassure her that Phanny had NO Covey Tucker anywhere,  Phanny had huge bone and correct shoulders and a level top line.

Just for fun, I may start showing Pharaoh.  It may help with the mandatory spay/neuter crap going on if I can prove that he is a "show dog".  Why not?  

Michele

yes  this were american sheperds are know , but akc done this by letting any dog breed to any dog ,at the beginning they came from same blood lines as german dog but during ww2 breeder could not get people to buy German shepherds so they called them just shepherd dogs after war they then begin to change name to american german shepherd .at this point they were THE SAME BREED/  but bad unproven breedings has got  american german shepherds the name they have now!!

yes  this were american sheperds are know , but akc done this by letting any dog breed to any dog ,at the beginning they came from same blood lines as german dog but during ww2 breeder could not get people to buy German shepherds so they called them just shepherd dogs after war they then begin to change name to american german shepherd .at this point they were THE SAME BREED/  but bad unproven breedings has got  american german shepherds the name they have now!!

 Feel free, Shelley!!  I said at an AKC show a few years ago, and you could have heard a pin drop!    A major breeder tried to tell me that was why their gsds "excelled in tracking."  I asked her to show me ONE of her breeding that had achieved a TD in the last 20 years.  Of course, she had to admit none of hers had.  None of the other breeders, either.   Not a TC, CD, or even CGC anywhere.   Then, they had the nerve to get an attitude.  One of them asked, very snippily, about the bitch I'd had at one of their meetings as a puppy.  I was so happy to tell them that she had a Sch 2, TD, HIT, CGC, TT, was koerklassed,etc. 

After that, I have seen two of those breeders at SV-style shows...with German SL dogs!!!  Still no titles....

Sunsilver, Martin Wahl used to have a rather good website called realgsd - at the time it was active (it's been a number of years since it shut down) I believe he was living in Canada. I lost track of him - you might try Google and see if it turns anything up.....

"BTW-Scaling the back fence on the 4th of July doesn't qualify as jumping in my book, anymore than chewing out of a kennel run in a thunderstorm or sending a postal worker to the hosptial for stitches in his butt qualifies as bitework. SS"  (Shelley Strohl)

Well JEEZ if you're gonna get picky................

Interesting trip through yesteryear. And I recall the same things Shelley does although I never put it so succinctly.