This is a placeholder text
Group text
by ShelleyR on 23 February 2009 - 19:02
I also think that it tells a lot about a buyer when they call me and their first question is about the cost.
BIG RED FLAG.
I mean, if the dog/bitch is such a good producer, WHY are you selling it????
Perhaps because they already have 2-3 of siad dog/bitches progeny taking up valuable space in their very small kennel and want to find him/her a good home before he/she gets too old to place easily, Happens all the time in Germany, my good fortune. But you'd better know & trust the seller pretty darned well before you send off your money.
SS
BIG RED FLAG.
I mean, if the dog/bitch is such a good producer, WHY are you selling it????
Perhaps because they already have 2-3 of siad dog/bitches progeny taking up valuable space in their very small kennel and want to find him/her a good home before he/she gets too old to place easily, Happens all the time in Germany, my good fortune. But you'd better know & trust the seller pretty darned well before you send off your money.
SS
by Schluterton on 23 February 2009 - 20:02
No offense Shelley and Christopher .................. but maybe when someone asks about the price first it's because they don't want to waste their time or yours. It's all well and good to discuss pedigrees, drive, and structure ............ but we all know the time those conversations can consume and what's the point when we get down to price and there's no sale. There are many kennels where someone's $2000.00 of puppy money might go a long way ............ some where it would be a close call ............ and some that would simply hang up the phone. And, of course, there's been enough bashing on the board that we all know which one those are. But to the newby .......... I think it is unfair to judge based on that question. How do you know they didn't just get off the phone with Bill Fleisherheim? He's a great guy and fun to talk to but .......... I can't shop with him. :)
by Baldursmom on 23 February 2009 - 21:02
It would be interesting to post an add for the same litter, some with the price you want and some without and see which one generates more calls.
Who is game to try it?
Who is game to try it?
by GFujioka on 23 February 2009 - 22:02
The notion that putting price early in the discussion is some kind of red flag is ill-conceived. Many of us know and can afford what we want. That we should frame our conversation in a particular order to satisfy someone's world view is truly laughable.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2009 - 22:02
Schluterton, (I wish you had an easier name, lol) I think your post makes sense. I understand why Shelly and others are put off, if it's the first question they're asked... but, if you'd advertised the price, you'd never have had the 'phone call.
There was a really beautiful "Spanish" bitch for sale recently, I was so tempted and kept looking at her and her pedigree, again & again... the seller kept re-advertising and eventually added the price, 5,000€... end of my desires, I could not justify spending that amount of money, which is just as well, given my curent circumstances.... but that's another story. I think it's beneficial all round to advertise the price you want.
by Schluterton on 23 February 2009 - 22:02
Sorry misbeeb .................. You can just say Sheri ............ Schluterton is what I came up with for a kennel name. My mom's maiden name being Schluter and my Dad's last name was Tonn. Needless to say ....... I'm pretty German.
And why is what your asking for a puppy or a dog anybody's business? I'm happy to see people getting good money for their dogs .......... they're a valuable commodity. Those people are just strengthening the market for others. What kills me is to see people getting more money for a labradoodle puppy than the dedicated breeders of GSDs are getting for theirs.
And why is what your asking for a puppy or a dog anybody's business? I'm happy to see people getting good money for their dogs .......... they're a valuable commodity. Those people are just strengthening the market for others. What kills me is to see people getting more money for a labradoodle puppy than the dedicated breeders of GSDs are getting for theirs.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2009 - 23:02
Yes, there are many of these designer breeds around now and people pay a small fortune for them!
by Trafalgar on 24 February 2009 - 00:02
There is no question that a posted price is good for a buyer.
Not posting a price is an advantage to the seller.
Anyone who has been around dog world for any length of time knows that breeders are notoriously touchy about being asked price early in a discussion.
Therefore, why would anyone want to force the issue? One may ALWAYS refuse to purchase a dog once a price is forthcoming. Haven't we ALL decided not to buy a pup after serious consideration and many conversations? Money is only one of the things that keep the careful buyer from committing. Of course, one wouldn't foolishly travel hundreds of miles, etc...etc... without being informed of a price.
Personally, I don't think this is an important issue - but I do find it funny, in an ironic sense, that the very people wanting to RECEIVE money are the ones who often get annoyed when the person who is to PROVIDE the money - asks the price.
Sort of like the old "foot in the door salesman" who says, "Don't ask about price, TRUST ME, quality is worth every penny!"
By the way: You'll rarely find a puppy buyer who will say
"Dang~! How can you provide a price up front! Now I won't consider your pups."
Not posting a price is an advantage to the seller.
Anyone who has been around dog world for any length of time knows that breeders are notoriously touchy about being asked price early in a discussion.
Therefore, why would anyone want to force the issue? One may ALWAYS refuse to purchase a dog once a price is forthcoming. Haven't we ALL decided not to buy a pup after serious consideration and many conversations? Money is only one of the things that keep the careful buyer from committing. Of course, one wouldn't foolishly travel hundreds of miles, etc...etc... without being informed of a price.
Personally, I don't think this is an important issue - but I do find it funny, in an ironic sense, that the very people wanting to RECEIVE money are the ones who often get annoyed when the person who is to PROVIDE the money - asks the price.
Sort of like the old "foot in the door salesman" who says, "Don't ask about price, TRUST ME, quality is worth every penny!"
By the way: You'll rarely find a puppy buyer who will say
"Dang~! How can you provide a price up front! Now I won't consider your pups."
by Red Sable on 24 February 2009 - 18:02
I dont' understand why asking the price first off is a red flage? For what? You've put up the bitch with picture and description, and the same with the sire, sooooo, we already have an idea what the pups will be like, which leaves the price!!
How else are we to make a educated decision concering your pups or another breeders? Alot of the time, the price is the deciding factor. We have this dog for the next decade, we know what we want in a dog, and I don't think it is at all unreasonable to want the best for our dollar. Puppy buying is just to much of a gamble, which I have found out.
If the price isn't posted, I dont' call for dogs or anything else, because to me, that is a red flag. It is usually an extraordinary amount.
I like an upfront seller.
How else are we to make a educated decision concering your pups or another breeders? Alot of the time, the price is the deciding factor. We have this dog for the next decade, we know what we want in a dog, and I don't think it is at all unreasonable to want the best for our dollar. Puppy buying is just to much of a gamble, which I have found out.
If the price isn't posted, I dont' call for dogs or anything else, because to me, that is a red flag. It is usually an extraordinary amount.
I like an upfront seller.
by Trafalgar on 25 February 2009 - 02:02
GFujioka: I liked your comment:
"...The notion that putting price early in the discussion is some kind of red flag is ill-conceived. Many of us know and can afford what we want. That we should frame our conversation in a particular order to satisfy someone's world view is truly laughable."
Unfortunately, many breeders are a bit "off" in terms of the seller / buyer relationship and are control freaks when it comes to this issue. Therefore, it's simply easier to talk to them at length about the breeding and dog/pup in question and once interest is peaked on both sides get to price later. What's so bad about inquiring about 25 puppies and turning down the first 24 because they were too expensive?
To my mind there are sooo many good reasons to NOT buy a particular dog (but then I'm not one of those folks who have eleven dogs - so I have to be very careful) - money is only one of those reasons even though it is a valid one.
I feel that while it takes a cetain degree of diplomacy when dealing with anyone; with breeders you usually have to lay it on with a shovel.
No harm - no foul. Everyone goes away happy.
"...The notion that putting price early in the discussion is some kind of red flag is ill-conceived. Many of us know and can afford what we want. That we should frame our conversation in a particular order to satisfy someone's world view is truly laughable."
Unfortunately, many breeders are a bit "off" in terms of the seller / buyer relationship and are control freaks when it comes to this issue. Therefore, it's simply easier to talk to them at length about the breeding and dog/pup in question and once interest is peaked on both sides get to price later. What's so bad about inquiring about 25 puppies and turning down the first 24 because they were too expensive?
To my mind there are sooo many good reasons to NOT buy a particular dog (but then I'm not one of those folks who have eleven dogs - so I have to be very careful) - money is only one of those reasons even though it is a valid one.
I feel that while it takes a cetain degree of diplomacy when dealing with anyone; with breeders you usually have to lay it on with a shovel.
No harm - no foul. Everyone goes away happy.
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top