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by Red Sable on 24 February 2009 - 20:02
Okay, Jim, what if the owner is standing, as that was the case apparently.
by Slamdunc on 24 February 2009 - 22:02
Red Sable, I don't know all of the details. But keep in mind it's the decoy's responsibility to make sure the dog is targeted on the right person. Accidents can happen in training, he's not the first handler to be bit by their own dog and I'm sure not the last.
Jim
Jim
by Scoutk9GSDs on 24 February 2009 - 23:02
If the objective is ONLY to win points in competition then I guess owning a dog like that could be justified. Wait ........that would be an idiot dog owner and a slap in the face to the breed itself. I guess there really is no point ot owning a dog that is so high drive it bites the shit out of its owner.
Of course if the dog in question actually has half a brain then only other possible reason is a terrible relationship with the handler.
Of course if the dog in question actually has half a brain then only other possible reason is a terrible relationship with the handler.
by gucci12 on 25 February 2009 - 01:02
i would like to know who the helper and trainer is!!
by ARK08 on 25 February 2009 - 01:02
SchH3 [96-92-100 (288 pts.)], FH1 (96 pts.),
FH2 (96 pts.), KKL2 a-normal, ZW-80
This is the last time I am going to write on this messageboard because I see there are alot of ignorant people who probably own a shepherd that they got from a pet shop and they want to compare their dog and how they think they would react on the field compared to a dog of Inges' calibur. As far as Inges not knowing the good guy from the bad guy his titles above speak for themselves. He's a SchH3 8 times. I am going to go over the scenario for the last time.....
Inges was in a plotz position, Frank and the decoy were 20 yards away. Frank gave Inges the attack command, Inges came in like he was shot out of a cannon at @ 7 feet from Frank Inges launched, and the decoy was standing right next to Frank.....the decoy decided to wrap his arms around Frank , when Inges launched in he caught Frank in his arm. ONE BITE then outed IMMEDIATELY! The reason Frank's arm got cut open is because when you have a 90lb dog launching at you full force it can obviously cause damage. 4 days later Frank was at the field doing obedience and personal protection work with Inges who responded like he also does with a very STRONG bond!!!! All I can say is....Frank did not get this dog yesterday, he has owned Inges for 1 1/2 years and worked him in personal protection 2 days a week so I would think that if there was a "bonding Issue" like so many want to assume there would have been an incident way before this. All this was, was a mistake on the decoy and Frank this had nothing to do with a bond or the dog being to hard for the handler. Inges was breed to Frank's SchH2, Kkl1 female they had 12 puppies they were all sold in 2 weeks. You will all get to see just what type of dog Inges produces, level headed with lots and lots of drive! Be safe............
by Scoutk9GSDs on 25 February 2009 - 01:02
How would this be the mistake of the decoy if you were doing PP work? I can buy that a dog will accidentally start to bite the handler in that situation....in fact I saw the same thing happen a couple times the other day. If the dog is learning I can maybe let that slide once but 80 stitches is a bit hard to swallow. It would really have to be a freakish thing for the dog's teeth to get accidentally "caught" (yeah whatever) on the handlers arm. Dogs have total control of their bite. From what has been said I still have to lean towards the dog going to his happy place instead of thinking clearly during the excersise. Either way it isnt the fault of the decoy and for me at least it is......TOTALLY unacceptable.
by Get A Real Dog on 25 February 2009 - 02:02
Ok, that explanation of the scenario makes perfect sense.
by Slamdunc on 25 February 2009 - 08:02
Yea, that's much more info than was given before. Makes more sense now. Why didn't you say this from the beginning Ark?
Jim
Jim
by London on 25 February 2009 - 08:02
"This is the last time I am going to write on this messageboard because I see there are alot of ignorant people who probably own a shepherd that they got from a pet shop and they want to compare their dog and how they think they would react on the field compared to a dog of Inges' calibur. "
ARK, I think you should re-read MVF's earlier post, especially the part about name calling. There was an incident with Inges that, reported inaccurately or not, subsequently generated some very interesting discussions on general canine behaviour and training techniques. You have clarified the details concerning Inges and corrected the misconceptions people may have had. There is no reason to run people, or their dogs, down for continuing a productive discussion.
ARK, I think you should re-read MVF's earlier post, especially the part about name calling. There was an incident with Inges that, reported inaccurately or not, subsequently generated some very interesting discussions on general canine behaviour and training techniques. You have clarified the details concerning Inges and corrected the misconceptions people may have had. There is no reason to run people, or their dogs, down for continuing a productive discussion.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 25 February 2009 - 16:02
Quote: From what has been said I still have to lean towards the dog going to his happy place instead of thinking clearly during the excersise. Either way it isnt the fault of the decoy and for me at least it is......TOTALLY unacceptable.
OK, just out of curiosity, have you done bitework with your dog ?? For an extended period of time, not on of those joke working aptitude tests ??? Because some of you post some stuff that clearly shows that you do not participate in bitwork.
I am not picking on London, but I see all kinds of stuff coming from this thread showing a lack of knowledge of dogs trained in bitework.
When you train in bitework, you just don't say the shit that a lot of you guys are saying.
OK, just out of curiosity, have you done bitework with your dog ?? For an extended period of time, not on of those joke working aptitude tests ??? Because some of you post some stuff that clearly shows that you do not participate in bitwork.
I am not picking on London, but I see all kinds of stuff coming from this thread showing a lack of knowledge of dogs trained in bitework.
When you train in bitework, you just don't say the shit that a lot of you guys are saying.
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