Teaching the (schH) Out of Motion exercises - Page 2

Ivan's method is kind of what I do in the beginning with my guys....I'm still learning and always changing the approach according to how things are going.   Can't wait to use the video camera to tape myself....

I teach a Jupp-Platz onto almost every picnic table we pass on our hikes.  My dog has to leap up onto the table and drop immediately.  Then I walk off 10-25 strides and call him into a fuss with my back to him.  This is all to avoid pattern training.  And since it is not on a training field, he knows it is in bursts and he has to pay attention to what I say as my body position gives fewer clues.

I teach the positions on the move from a standstill first from 7 weeks using luring with food.

Once this is established perfectly I then start linking them using the ABACAB approach:

Sit
Down
Sit
Stand
Sit
Down

(Transpose positions using the same technique which is designed to "put ears on your dog" and to learn how to get into the positions from any position if that makes sense.)


they then learn how to do it in the basic position.
I then teach them on the move only waving a leg at first and increasing steps/distance in differing variables.

sometimes the dog is reinforced for the lack of movement, sometimes for speed, sometimes for straightness and then finally it is only reinforced for the straightest, fastest rock solid moves.

I also teach the out of motion exercizes in a manner similar to what Animules mentioned.  With regards to all obedience,  I was taught to build drive with the toy, ball, tug, jute bar,  (whatever) and to work obedience in that drive state  by Dean Calderon many, many years ago.   I think all the great teachers and trainers use this method in one fashion or another, because it works.

 

 

 

Thanks Sueincc for starting this thread! I find it very informative since Im just starting out with schutzhund. Our club is now official, we had our first meeting and first official training yesterday! Yay!! Unfortunately I could not take my dog since she was having some issues with loose stools but she seems fine now so I am really looking forward to next weeks training.

 I have been working with her at home with most of the obedience stuff and Ive taken her to different parks and fair grounds but there has not been much distractions with the colder weather and all. I have upped my expectations of her and my re-enforcing the rules and she is getting much better here at home in regards to not reacting so much to the birds,rabbits and my neighbors golden. I still need to stay on top of her but she is getting that she cant do as she pleases or there are consiquences(sp).

Anyway, back to the sit and platz in motion. She did very well this morning with them and did them with just one command to do so. Most days she keeps fussing a few feet or so and I have to tell her more than once to platz of sit.  I am at the point that if I have to tell her more than once to do something she does not get her ball. She only gets it if she follows thru on the first command. Some days it takes a while and others she is right on. She also tries to anticipate the next command and will do it on her own even though I mix it up all the time. This is when she really,really wants her ball. I cant help but laugh!

I have worked some on the stand in motion with her but not as much as I have with the platz or sit. I have read and used the method of putting my hand in front of her nose with palm facing her while going at a slow fuss. I have also worked on her with the come command after throwing the ball and about the 3rd time she will stop and come pretty much right away. After that she again anticipates it and wont try to chase the ball at all. I need to mix that up more. Ive done the come/here command with platzing her before she gets to me. She does pretty good with that but she takes a few more strides towards me before it registers in her mind to platz.

Basically, Ive taught her all these things by just reading others suggestions and doing it on my own. She is smart, too much so sometimes, and learns quickly. That makes it easier for me----sometimes! LOL!

Thanks , agian for everyone's great suggestions/advice!!!

Donna

The method I teach in my intermediate class entails stopping the dog with the lead into the sit or down while making a pivot to face the dog so they cannot walk forward. First we wean away help with the lead, then we take away the pivot, and finally we take away all body language. These are not SchH dogs, though.

What I found worked beautifully for my last two personal dogs was teaching them to freeze from anywhere (sit/downstand) while not under a heel or a recall.  When they could stop on a dime while runnign around I incorporated it into the heeling and the recal adn it was pretty easy, after only a few tries they got it.

I did have fun reading all the ideas, I'm sure I'll try some of them! Always room to learn.