Potential Judge Change at 2009 USA SS - Page 2

Mystere, I can understand Sunshine's point.  Certain judges have their preferences when judging.  For example, Albrecht Woerner from Thermodos kennels likes dark pigmented dogs.  He likes dogs with dark faces and dark pigment.  2 dogs side by side in the ring, 1 with slightly better structure, 1 with darker pigment... Albrecht will pick the darker dog.  I have spoken with him abput this at shows where I was handling dogs.  If you know a certain judge doesn't like the style of your dog, you know your chances are limited at the start.  However, if you know that judge likes your style of dog well you have a better chance.  It's like boxing, most opponentsd are hand picked for the champ to fight.  His mangers know which guys he has the best chance of beating. 

So when considering the expense involved and the time and travel, I'd hedge my bets if I could.  There are many other showline people thinking the exact same thing...They just haven't mentioned it here.

Jim 

Jim,

My post was not in response to preferences regarding judges.  I am well aware that the show folks judge-shop--that is one of the reasons that the subjective show venue has so little credibility with me.   My response was to the following:

quote:"No information on your website.  The UScA membership should be informed of what is going on.  Otherwise those that do not, will be making their arrangements.  Just like I was contemplating before seeing this most interesting post. 

Why not put a statement on your website that you cannot be reached by phone and that the National Breed Warden is working on this?  

      The organization JUST learned of the issue and got the word out as soon as possible via forums like this one, frequented by potential exhibitors.  There has been no time to decide on a replacement judge, which, responsibly, should be part of any announcement on the website. ( You KNOW that is the next logical quesiton).  

 As I said, the webmaster is a USA member with a FULL TIME JOB LIKE  MOST OF THE REST OF US.   He deals with the website on the side , and very quickly, once he receives information.   But, it is NOT, and will probably never be, the instantaneous type of response that some apparently think thye are entitled to have.  IF USA had a FULL TIME webmaster, sitting by with nothing else to do BUT constantly and instantaneously update the website, then people could, perhaps, reasonably complain when information like this is not immediately on the USA website. 
 

Working full time is an issue for most all of us working on the show, whether it is a traditional jib or caring for our dogs.  It seems like we should be able to do better, but there are approvals to be done, proof reading ect.  Heck if we get it worng and have to retract, its worse than if we never put anything up.


Thanks to all those with patience and understanding in all things!

Check the bios on the webdite, they both became judges in the same year.

Dog 1 hit the nail on the head.  In my opinion, both judges are great.  Margrit I love as she likes and uses working sables in her breeding program.  I beleive she is looking out for the best interest in the breed.  Chek out her websites and accomplishments.  I see her as a role model for us.


"My basic philosophy is to try to breed dogs with an excellent conformation that still can be used as working dogs in the true sense of the word. In Germany, we call this the “Universal Conception”, the dog that has an excellent anatomy combined with good working abilities."

Why assume that the two SV judges, van Dorssen and Dux  (both of whom have my utmost personal respect), will preside over the working classes?  Johannes Grewe (who also has my utmost personal respect) is the UScA National Breed Warden, a Koermeister, Conformation and Schutzhund judge.  He has successfully judged the Working Class Females at a previous UScA Sieger Show.

My personal gripe with the lack of information regarding UScA Sieger Show judging assigmnments is simply that-- lack of information afforded the membership in a timely fashion.  Those of us who have organized national events in the past are particularly sympathetic to the complex organizational issues.  In my opinion, however, the membership has been extremely patient--and poorly served by that forbearance.  Now less than 3 months from the event starting date, we have no concrete judging class assignments.  Would someone in authority simply make some decisions, please?

I find it most interesting that the UScA has two other national events that sandwich the Sieger Show dates:  the UScA Working Dog Championships (April 16-19, 2009); and the AWDF National Championships (May 22-24, 2009).  Both of these events have their judging slates already clearly defined.  Hmmmm...

Gayle Kirkwood

 If either of the performance events have a judge suddenly unavailable, it will be the same scenario:  identifying a replacement judge, getting EB approval of the judge, and then announcing the result of that vote.  In the interim, only the fact that a judge has been identified and selected by the host can be "announced," subject to the vote.  

  As for the judging assignment, that is PART of the submission to the EB as a slate for performance events.   Perhaps if the slate for the Sieger Show were submitted with the same information?  Hmmmmm

Aside from that, if you would check the Sieger Show website, you'd know that the information, posted YESTERDAY, is as follows: