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wuzzup

by wuzzup on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Great then you have no problem with them coming though you house like the gestapo when ever they feel like it.Maybe they will decide to tromp through on a family day of celebration and disturb all your plans and guests.Ruin your big day and oops if your dog is crated so it dont run around and disturb you guest,I guess you will have no problem giving them your dog.

Baldursmom

by Baldursmom on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Well, I am going to write Tom Cross and Linda Holmes and suggest some exemptions for people that are hobbies that only produce one to two litters per year.   Require registration with the state and annual cetifications notorized for people with intack show or trail dogs that will not be breed but that are not altered due to showing or trails.

It is a lead in to mandatory spay and neuter law, either be condidered a breeder if you have three intact females or spay them.


Baldursmom

by Baldursmom on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Well, we all know the person trying to do it right by new owners, the puppies and the dogs are not making a dime on their litters when all is said and done.    These good people will mostly likely fold the cards and enjoy their dogs as best they can, leaving the people with the deep pockets in business. 

by Johnsk9 on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

 This is a copy of a letter sent to me.This can apply to any of these new bills we are seeing


Here is an analysis of this proposed Florida mandatory S/N law, so far.
You can take ALL of it with a grain of salt, because if it passes into law, it is always subject to revision, later on. This is the "foot in the door" or seduction tactic. They go in sounding reasonable, and twist the thing to screw everyone, later on.
This is not per my opinion, only. This is what I was told by a lawyer and dog breeder in California, who has fought these things for a long time, now. I believed her after she explained the process to me.
Also, you can think that you have a deal hammered out with the proponents of the new law, something everyone can live with, and then, in the last few days or hours, they submit revisions which are really toxic (bait and switch).
One thing is for sure.. sooner or later, they will work it around to what they want. It's too bad, really. You have to stop these laws right at the gate and don't let them get in.
And (since this seems to be your style of thinking), don't even imagine for a minute that you will somehow be exempted or safe, and that a lot of the others (backyard breeders, etc.) will be put out of business, so that you possibly get more market share. It doesn't work like that. That's what they are hoping you will believe, of course! They just want their law passed, and they are perfectly willing to whisper sweet nothings in your ear, if you will help them or consent to what they want. You will find yourself out in the cold, and your dogs impounded or dead.
AKC would like to think also that they will be able to protect their own market share by going along with this sort of crap, and they nearly did (last PAWS revision, sponsored by Senator Santorum, PA (R).. ). They were allegedly trying to make a sweetheart deal with HSUS, and then the other dog people found out about it and allegedly they nearly had an AKC mutiny! Then, AKC changed their position to "oppose", and it didn't pass.
Dog breeders / fanciers in California have beaten mandatory S/N now at least twice, and it has been overturned in one county that tried to pass it. But you don't have as many dog people in Florida, I think. This is why HSUS targetted Florida for passage of the "no gestation crate" law for swine. There were practically no commercial swine producers in Florida. Lots of silly old blue hairs, too, who are normally conservative but suckers for animals!

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Good post Johnsk9.

by Johnsk9 on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Thanks we should all pay attention to these Bills as a large group of people we can make a difference.  These Bills are limiting our rights and in some cases taking them away.

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

I agree, the loudest voice makes a lot of difference.

by RDH on 23 January 2009 - 17:01

Baldursmom write a letter. I don't think it would hurt. When i was in dental hygiene school our whole class had to write a letter as well... in regards to a bill that was being pass about dental hyginenist. I haven't kept up with the bill but I know that dental hygienist all around illinois got involved and signed a petition.

It will even be better if you have a big group of breeders write a letter to whom ever it concerns.

At one time I wanted to make tons of flyers in regards to puppy mills and pet stores (all they have to do is google) and put them on peoples car in the parking lot of my local petland to educate the public. There's a big sign saying no soliciting...so i didn't want to get into legal trouble.

Also, I wish more breeders will screen their potential buyers before letting the dogs go. Too many people don't research the breed before they buy and throw them out like they are trash, because they can't handle the commitment.

wuzzup

by wuzzup on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

Tell me about the buyers ,Lord i just got a male back from an idiot that traded him in for a dobbie.The dog is a mess from being mistreated and improperly trained .There should be laws about people who trade for the flavor of the month.If he wanted a dobbie he should have bought one in the first place.I feel sorry for his new dog.

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 23 January 2009 - 19:01

This bill is utterly outrageous. I am currently raising a puppy for a breeder friend, how is that any of the State of Illinois' business? Because I have 3 intact bitches in my home (4 actually, only one of which is a brood bitch at this time) I have to put up a kennel building? I have to pay for a breeder's liscense? As if breeding quality dogs isn't coslty enough as it is! I will absolutely be bringing this article to work, sending letters, and forwarding this link to every dog person in IL I know.





 


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