Missing Testicles or My Dog Has No Nunners......?? - Page 2

 BTW..... I think trying to locate these guys is like looking for a set of misplaced car keys. Even though I know where I've checked, I keep checking again. My boy is starting to give me very strange looks. ;>)

I will have him at the vet ASAP just to make sure there aren't other things I should be concerned about., and then I will test the breeder.

Why is it that this board is so quick to protect the breeder and make the buyer feel stupid??  This is BS!  The man bought a pup, paid damn good money for this pup and expected at the very least a healthy dog.  That would include both of his manhood parts.  Regardless if he wanted to breed or show should not matter; he paid for what he thought was a quality dog and expected the breeder stand by their product.  Now yes we know some of these situations just happen; no one but mother natures fault BUT if one of your puppy buyers comes back to you with this problem would you feel right still keeping their $2,3,4,000 for a dog that a. you cant do anything with even if it were returned and b. it really no longer constitutes the price tag it came with because it can't be bred or shown??

A first time buyer may feel they did enough homework by scoping out the breed, the bloodlines, maybe had a breeder locally that was recommended.  Far beyond that it's doubtful they'd fathom asking the breeder to guarantee both nuts on their dog.  Let's be realistic here folks.  The average Joe wanting a nice quality pet doesn't think about those things.

You're right that regardless of one testicle I would love the dog no less BUT I sure as hell would not be a happy camper if I spent a few thousand dollars for a dog that has one testicle and a breeder that can only say "sorry for your luck"!

I assume the OP informed the breeder and I can only assume that he's pissed off because the breeder did not give a hoot. If that's the case, shame on the breeder. Gator sounds genuine that he loves the dog regardless and will continue to love this dog weather he has one testicle or not.  The point comes back to $$ unfortunately.  Breeders need to have some heart and morals when dealing with their puppy customers.  Treat each situation case by case regardless what your contract reads.  If it were me I would have at the very least refunded the man 1/2 his money if not all, had him neuter the dog and let him keep it to love.  But some folks are money grabbers and once they get your dough all sales are final.  That's why buyers are terrified to buy anything anymore.

Hm.
If your boy is almost 7 mos old, I would highly doubt he will drop at this point. I'm sorry. You asked for opinions.
He will obviously not go thru a simple, typical neutering, either. His neutering will require surgical abdominal hunting for them. That is riskier and more expensive than typical neutering.
A friend of a trainer I know had a male die from such surgical neutering (he had one testicle not descend). So make sure, if at all possible, you understand what you could potentially be in for, and be educated on the situation/condition prior to doing anything. 
Your boy is beautiful and I hope all works out for you.

Gator - you need to contact the breeder.  Let them know whats going on.  They may not have a clue and be grateful for the feedback of the breeding. 

If I were the breeder of this puppy - I would want to know.  I would also be happy to give you a puppy from an upcoming litter at no charge.  Don't take this on yourself thinking you are about to be screwed by giving X $$$ for a pup that cannot be bred or may not have the future you thought of.  You might want to consider going to plan "B" at this point.  This could be a simple case of they honestly didn't know and be more than willing to work to make it right whether it be taking this dog back and giving another pup, or possibly refunding your purchase price.  Before jumping to conclusions that the breeder is bad - give them an opportunity to make it right, then you can go from there. 

Most breeders are happy to replace the pup.. You have to advise them and discuss it with them   dont blame them.

Breeding is a crap shoot, like Dean Calderon discrrbed it on his website.

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I doubt it will drop at this stage. I also know of someone who had a dog with only one teste, did the vet's suggestion of trying to find/bring down the other one, stitch it down. The dog died on the table, massive bleeding.  So be sure you have a very good vet if/when you decide to do something about it.

You still have options @ 6 1/2 months.

You could get an ultrasound to see exactly where his gonads are.. between the posterior pole and his inguinal ring (hopefully not attached to his kidneys) .. concidering the ultrasound result ... ask your Vet about chorionic gonadotropin. Just inquire about it .. see what they say. I bet they'll at least think about it for a sec. If not, they'll bitch about it then research.

Your dog looks some what lean in that picture for a cryptorchid neuter ... it's hard to find little gonads in a heap of fat. It's not the surgery that's the issue, it's the FAT you need to root around to find the little suckers. I've heard this before.

Seriously though, if he has no gonads in the scrotum at all (he is sterile) and if you wait too long .. they will travel down to the kidneys and attach themselves ... then you will have a real problem and your dog could have issues. The longer they are where they shouldn't be the more likely they grow Sertoli cells with the temperature difference.

I find it hard to believe, though, a Vet missed both nads on all health visits 12 weeks and younger.. they could have been manually secured in most cases.

stormhasit

I very much intended to contact the breeder, but I wanted to become informed on the subject and get the dog to my vet first. I will not begin the conversation in a confrontational manner, rather, I will wait to see where she wants to take the discussion, and then.......

In fairness, I will give the breeder an opportunity to make things right, defend her name, etc... but I would not be able to return my boy, period. That's an emotional decision, I don't normally like making those, but sometimes they are the ones we can live with the best. 

Sometimes fat will deposit into the scrotum and look like a testicle to breeders and vets alike.  The breeder may not have deliberately misled you.  It is unlikely the testicles will come down at this age.  Does it matter?  He is very pretty.  Let him keep them awhile to establish his masculine looks.  Some vets will try to rush you into neutering him, saying he could get cancer from the retained testicles.  While this is true, it very seldom happens until a dog is well into middle or old age, and often does not happen at all. 

Veronica

Bummer Gator... he sure is a looker. I was told years ago by WSU it can take up to 9 months for testicles to drop. I know of one dog that had theirs drop very late, about that time frame. So there is hope... It depends on when the inguinal ring closes and actually until it does close the testicles can go back and forth. So maybe when his breeder told you they were down, they were. I have also heard it is best not to check them often, guess it can make them stay up. As far as the contract, it is a pit he was not guaranteed for them descending, especially since it sounds like you paid alot. But sometimes just because contracts are worded the way the are doesn't mean she won't step up and make it right. I think that people should not be expected to give their dog back to get a replacement either. What on earth is the point, especially in a case like this? Keeping my fingers crossed for you.