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Gator113

by Gator113 on 18 December 2008 - 03:12

 I am not a lawyer and I don't know the answer to your question, but here are some things you might want to think about.
  Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy.    Does the assailant have the ability to cause your death or cause you grievous bodily harm? Is he/she taking the opportunity to kill you and/or cause you grievous bodily harm? Is your life, at that given moment in time, in serious jeopardy? Those are questions you might want to think about before allowing your dog to attack the jerk.   Did you think that you were about to die and that you had no other reasonable alternative? Should you be so unfortunate to find yourself in such a violent moment, when the police arrive, some of the first words out of your mouth better be, "I thought I was going to die". You best hope that the facts, evidence and your actions support those 6 words.   Also, you were not trying to capture or kill the violator with your dog, you were simply trying to stop the threat.   Do you believe that 12 other reasonable people in you community, given the same circumstances, would have taken the same action?   In a civil trial, it only takes 51% to win, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt as is a criminal trial. So, that's slightly more odds than flipping a coin to come up heads, are you ready for those odds? ; >)   Remember, anybody can sue anyone for anything at anytime.... it's whether you win or lose that counts.   Frankly, I carry a concealed firearm much of the time, I pay attention to my surroundings and I don't frequent high risk areas, so rather than release my dog, I'd prefer to shoot the jerk and send him to his well deserved dirt nap.    Now, should some fool with a death wish, enter my home uninvited and with malicious and felonious intent, I will unleash a world of regret, using all at my disposal, and do my very best to introduce him to God. ;>)    Having said all of that, I am a nice guy in real life, but I didn't fight my way up the food-chain, just to yield everything to the desires of some worthless lowlife.    Simply asking your question speaks well of you. I suggest that you consider doing what I did for 3 decades, "play the what if game". In other words, consider many different possibilities that you might encounter in your life and then consider what actions you might feel confident in taking. You see, when a bad thing is happening, there isn't a lot of time to study the matter, you may need to react to survive.    I don't invite debate and I have not covered all possible things for one to consider, I just shot from the hip. Just think my junk over, toss what you like into your survival bag and disregard the rest.   Stay safe..... and keep your dog out of jail. ;>)   Gator  
p.s.. I don't have a bite dog, I hope to, but I am new to the GSD breed and my little guy is still learning how to correctly bite a flea, and save my life while attacking imaginary monsters.          


by Bob McKown on 18 December 2008 - 04:12

 

 My insurance agent once told me " you never sicc your dog on any one, you were threatened and feared for your life and your dog defended you" 


by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 18 December 2008 - 04:12

What Bob said above.


jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 18 December 2008 - 04:12

good point Bob,   i got a similar story from my insurance man.

john


wuzzup

by wuzzup on 18 December 2008 - 04:12

I have had to move into town with my country trained dogs.I spend a lot of time training my dogs not to bite.I sure would hate to be sued and lose my dogs.I never send my dogs anywhere i'm not willing to go myself.Just my 2 cents.As for that crazy guy in the video,i 'm sure i would have got so scared I would have accidentally ran him over with my beaten up car..He had a crew with him so I would not have stopped to call the police untill I was far away from that group.


Mum of Zoe

by Mum of Zoe on 18 December 2008 - 15:12

I normally carry concealed also, and I'd much prefer to shoot an assailant myself than to risk my dog getting hurt.  BUT, like I said, where carrying concealed is not an option (state parks, banned by states, etc), I think it's a good idea to know what would happen in court IF I had to use my dog as my defense against someone.  Although generally, having a large dog walking next to you would deter all but the most crazy people from attempting to do you bodily harm.  I think that, more than actually having to have your dog demonstrate its "skills" on someone, would be most effective.  One can't say that about concealed weapons, since no one else is supposed to know that you HAVE one!  Thank you for all of your replies.

Bob, I especially like what your attorney "advised"


Princess

by Princess on 18 December 2008 - 17:12

I have to admitt I would trust my dogs, 200lbs plus but house trained, if they were to go for them ,I would deal with all after, no law will protect you when it is going on. I would find out local laws and then they would disappear fast. I think people who have their dogs tilted- working, then their papers emply defense. But I I wouldnt ask questions, I would just trust the dogs unless you are unsure of the dog, which implys that you dont trust in your dog.  I sleep with my infant grandson in a house with my 2 dogs and know what they will do, no one is coming in ,they will protect him and me with their lives and I dont worry about them hurting him or me. I thought that is what a PPD is. I would rather deal with the police, then someone trying to hurt my family. Im sure it would look funny for a 53yr old lady a buck 95 ,calling down my guys,so who would be in trouble, not my dogs Im sure. Me, my sons would come for me Ha!  Laws are made for someone who is doing the wrong thing. You all just need to remember dogs will defend, you must do the same for them, what every it takes.


Gretsch

by Gretsch on 18 December 2008 - 18:12

if a dog bites and injures someone in here the dog is put down. even if it is defending private property. they basically say good thing you had your dog... but now it has served its purpose and you need a new one.


by Uglydog on 18 December 2008 - 23:12

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A man walking his dog in Terrell on Wednesday fatally shot an armed 17-year-old robber, police said.

The incident happened at about 10:20 p.m. in Ben Gill Park in the 100 block of Lions Club Lane where, police said, a group of teen robbers surrounded the man.

According to investigators, Markee Lamar Johnson pulled out a gun and the 47-year-old man, a licensed concealed handgun owner, fired shots.

The 17-year-old Terrell High School student was struck in the head and died at Parkland Hospital. His weapon was recovered at the scene and later determined to be stolen during a separate offense in Terrell, according to police.

Police said they would not likely file charges against the man.

"I think in this particular situation, it would be a clear example of someone exercising their rights to protect themselves under the law," Capt. A.D. Sanson said.


Three other teen suspects fled the scene in a vehicle that was recovered in the 300 block of S. Park Street, police said.

Police identified the the other suspects and arrested one of them. Ryan Scott Patterson, 17, is charged with aggravated robbery.

The robbery victim, who did not want to be identified, was not injured.






 


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