Q Man- Backyard breeding??? - Page 2

Because they have different expectation from a dog. Some people don't care about tracking part, some people want more intense protection, some people like PSA, some people like SCH, and other like PPD, if you not into the sport why would you want to title the dog? For example I am more interested in PPD and I was looking for a dog that would do well just in that. I found experience breeder, that trains for that very purpose, and that knows his dogs. And knows his dogs progeny.

Same argument could be made that you should not buy a dog from a breeder that dose not train his own dogs. He hires other to train his dogs. How can he tell what qualities and flews his dog possesses? You think his trainer will tell him? Trainer makes money through training he will do anything to keep you  training.

And if you buy a dog base on what the breeder will due in the future with the dog than you an IDIOT, because most of them won't do anything with the dog, they are there just to make money. Once again it comes down to a customer that dose not do his homework, and that is a sucker.

Before you decide on a dog you need to know exactly what you want in your future dog, don't let breeder tell you what you want, and promise you mountains. Buying new dog is a crap shoot we all know that, and so it is finding a new good breeder. Stop focusing on a dog, or the breeder but focus on your future goals you will than be able to find what you looking for.

my dogs breed in the front yard, side yard ,back yard ,in the kennel,out of the kennel,hell they would breed on the roof if they could get up there,so what

snajper69-  Well said.

From what I gather just like there is a split between show vs. working line folks there is also a split between sport folks vs. non.  Just because a person chooses not to pursue schutzhund does not mean they do not actively train with their dog or pursue some sort of training.  Not everyone wants to get into schutzhund, some pursue a different venue, some are in need of a dog for real work on the streets.  The title itself does not make the dog worth more IMO.

Putting 2 titles together doesn't get you the ultimate package; the GENETIC MATCH plays a much bigger role to what you can "project" the litter to be like.  Again breeding is a mere "projection" and a good "guess" comes with a breeder having the knowledge of what the lines are they are breeding to and taking into account the positive from both dogs and considering the negatives.  Then it becomes a matter of projecting if the strengths of the one dog will offset the weakness of the other. 

The title tells me that a person pursued a sport for enjoyment, a hobby so to speak; some take it on a much more serious level but most are involved for fun.  Some feel they can justify charging more for pups out of titled parents and in some respect I agree; there is time and expense going into titling a dog regardless if you bought it titled or put the title on yourself.  In the situation with the breeding in this particular thread it's a nice breeding and the pups are priced reasonably.

Unless you are breeding on a larger scale dealing with volume there is minimal profit made.  You're not getting rich off one litter a year or every other regardless if the parents are titled or not.

Backyard breeders are people who don't even know what they are producing, likely don't even know much about either dog other than they are both pure bred with papers.  Those people take little attention to health certifications, temperment of the dogs, properly caring for the Dam during pregnancy, or even take the time to carefully place their puppies so long as the cash is in hand.  Not knowing Qman, his dogs or his breeding practices I think it's unfair to label this litter as a backyard breeding solely because the parents are not titled.  Just my .02.

By the way,  I too like this breeding on paper.

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Dutch Boy,

You are right, I have been on both side's of this arguement.   It's a slippery slope hey?

I don't agree with breeding for money at all.  Period!!  This motivation is harmful all round.

I have paid little for the most wondeful dog I have ever had, and I have paid a fortune for a worthless dog I would never breed.   Breeder's alway's have the best, the greatest.

I am guilty yes...   quite the hypocrite..   no one's perfect, least of all me.

I don't know Q man, I've seen his post's, I just hate to start my day bashing someone.

I hate for people to claim they are saving the breed, protecting the breed, and my favorite improving the breed.

There are too many people out there breeding for too many different reason's.   No matter what, the breed will endure and there will alway's be crap to deal with.   But you might also find a great dog in someone's back yard just haggin out with the kid's.

I would add so much more to the evaluation of a dog than is used today.

Anyway, live and let live work's for me today.

Moon's.

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Dutch Boy we don't live in a wonder land, shit happens every day. Look what happened to the economy :). I believe it is the future owner responsibility to educate them self, trusting a salesman is never a good idea. Do you think there would be any puppy mills or shity breeders if no one would buy from them. IT IS ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, AS LONG AS THERE WILL BE DEMAND SOMEONE WILL MEAT THE SUPPLY.

Before you buy a car, you do research, TV, PC, shit even a calculator, don't you think that if you would be buying a living thing, an animal you would be expected to do even more research, rather than taking a word of a breeder?

And yeah I don't do SCH, but my dog gets worked every day, that is right every day, not just once a week :) and it cost me quite bit of money, and I will never get any title out of it. What I will get is a perfect companion, soldier that I want, that is something that SCH would not gave me, that is why I don't see a reason to train my dog in SCH. But at the same time I am not a breeder or even intrested in breeding, so I don't need SCH to justify my dog. She needs to be justfy in my eyes, and my eyes only.

as breeding dogs is a messy  ordeal. a novice would surely be over whelmed by the amount of work it takes to breed healthy quality pups sooner or later a bad reputation would catch up to them.not every one has time for showing or sport .that does not mean they do not understand the breed or the betterment of the breed.i have had my dogs for almost twenty years .i can assure you i know what i see and when i don't see it .my dogs are always sold as pets as they come from working dogs and ddr dogs i tell everyone not to teach there dog anything they are not sure they want them to do and i always recomend a trainer iv"e never had a problem .

Bottom line is do your homework, if you don't, then you deserve what you get. I would be interested in a pup from this litter, like I said, if my kennel wasn't full and my pockets weren't empty. Dog foods gone up :) BUT, i would drive, as I hate flying, to pick up my pup, and if I didn't like what I saw, then I have no problem driving away without one. I live in Fl, long drive, but if I don't like it, I don't buy it.  And why a K9 with good OB? OB has nothing to do with it. I can train decent OB in 2-3 weeks, not award winning, but decent. That's training, not drives. Temperment is important, health is important, and if he goes absolutely ape sh#t for a toy I'm happy. Also, how are the pups? Skittish? Friendly? Chase bite tug anything that moves? Lay around lazy? There is a lot more to it then putting 2 dogs together. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And in the end, it's still a crapshoot. Pups from titled dogs won't work, health problems, etc... Pup out of a breeding like this shines like a star. It happens more often then you think.

What, then, do you propose is best for the GSD?? Strict breeding guidelines like that in Germany? I tell you that there would be at least 5 less police dogs on the street right now preventing crime. Some of us do try and do good by our breed.

Melissa

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