Black GSD's In Sieger - Page 2

Cool post, Silbersee. Those were helpful links. I bet they helped Hamza, too. 

VomMarischal Yes they all helped me a lot. Thanks everyone. I am going to look at the pictures.

I have seen very few Black GSD's that are show worthy in my life, and i find that Ix vom Pascherkofel is one of the best i have seen so far.

I have looked at the pictures, and some do ahve some good conformation structure in them, but they do not match anywhere near the ones that are pure showline and placed in VA or higher up in the V.

Black dogs need a lot of substance and bone to have a chance in the show ring. So called medium strong dogs would never be able to compete.

Yeah i agree Silbersee. You are correct.

The fact that they descend from the working lines, would affect their confomration, size & overall build, so they would have to make up for it somehow

Actually Hamza, I have to disagree with you on that. Workingline GSD can be just as beautiful as showlines. Both have their extremes which are not in good in my opinion. Just because they come from workinglines does not automatically affect their conformation. There are breeders who pay attention to structure.
Here is our male who is a true V-rated dog with substance and a wonderful presence and he has beat some showlines already as well, here in the U.S. and in Germany.
The photos were taken at the last show in North Carolina and it was pouring down rain, so you can't hide any flaws on a wet dog.
(Cynthia, Derek and Joyce, if you happen to read this - I hope you don't mind me posting these photos here on this board.)

If you read the Breed Standard Hamza, you will see these dogs match it very well.  The showline dogs  are just the show folks interpretation of it.  If you look at GSDs over the years, you will see the working type dogs as still much as they were when they were ALL working dogs and it is only the show dogs that have changed significantly over time. 

Margaret N-J

 

V-Hannes vom Spadener Holz

Silbersee: Amazing gait on that dog in North Carolina. I love that gait. Superb

Margaret: In my opinion i actually do think that workingline have changed.

Using all of your information, posted on here, i have been finding some dogs, which i like. Below are them:

Faro Van Xazziam: I like him, and i think his conformation is good. His pigmentation looks good to me, but i think that hsi face is a bit feminine, and nees to be more masculine in my opinion. Overall i think he deserves that V rating.

Ix Vom PatscherKofel: I love his structure. One of the best structures & conformation i have seen in a Black GSD. His pigmentation is ok to me, but a bit light. Once again his face is too feminine too me, but that's my opinion.

Alex Von Der Schwarzen Seeperlen: Like his conformation as well. His pigmentation in some areas is nice & dark which i like, but in some other areas, is too light for my liking. His head & expression is one i love. It shows the seriousness & ability to work of a working dog, and also the masculine side. However it think that his neck is a bit wide, and too far out. But still deserves that V rating

Yoschy Vom Ketscher Wald: His conformation is alright to me, but his croup is too steep for my eyes. Also his topline, goes down a bit too much form the back. I also think judging from the picture, that he is a bit short. His head & expression is something that my eyes favour. It has the masculine expression that a male GSD should have, but also shows nobility & friendliness, which is a great temperemant.

Umsa Vom Sulzachgrund: A beautiful black Dam in my eyes. Amazing conformation & structure, and is the best structure i like too see in a female German Shepherd. her pigmentation is also dark throughout her coat, and is appealing to my eyes. her head shows the wokring, and courage of a GSD, but also the feminity that a female GSD should clearly show. My opinion is also that she deserves a VA3-VA4. my opinion though.

 

I think a black dog needs to be fairly substantial to compete due to the optics of black.  They tend to look slighter than they are and thus do better if they have quite a bit of substance.  I think they are also harder to judge the gait on, but that may just be my problem. 

Those are beautiful dogs pictured in this thread!