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Feed the Dog on an Hypo allengic food and you will not need enzyme s or anything else

my fellow had Blood tests, X-rays, a Scope in his intestines , Biopsises of the intestines, and after all this the results was Allergic to Meat Proteins

Changed him to the above kibble and everything has been fine ever since

So simple just a change of food from the normal kibble one week to try it out and what answer do we get ,i can keep it in mind, in the meantime you try other Meat containing foods

Logic says you try a Kibble which does not contain MEAT proteins, you have absolulty nothing to lose but the cost of a bag of kibble and one weeks trial, if it does not work you can still use the kibble, i can bet any money you like it will make a hell of a difference But i do not think it will be tried it is not complicated enough, in the mean time with all the pussy footing about who suffers, the Dog

Steve

look here buddy dont sit there and act like im being a neglectful owner becuase im not giving my dog a hypo allgergenic kibble at this point and time. I do things one at a time. Get the antigen test back tomorrow had a float and checking for parasites. If all is clear good then time for a blood panel then if that is good i will bring it up to my vet about the meat allergies but just because im not feeding him the almighty Hypo allgerenic kibble right away doesnt mean he is suffering.

dont sit here with your bullshit elitetist attitude because im not jumping to the store buying hypo and dont act like you know what im going to do and sit here and say bullshit like "it wont be tried" when i want to rule out the most obvious things first. How bout from now on when you see that i post you keep your mouth shut.

As for everyone else thank you i will keep everyone updated on the progress.

The One

i posted and genuinly tried to help, but you should not have posted at all you do not need any help from anyone on this Forum as regards to your dogs problem

i do not want to know how your dog gets on

and as regards my keeping my mouth shut BUDDY when you post, i would like to here what you think you can do about it. but to be honest you are not worth replying to because if my reasons  for the dogs problem turned out to be correct you would not say so, so it is not worth bothering about

Steve

Look here pal first of all i never said i wouldnt try the hypo thing i said i want to rule out the major stuff first then you went off on a tangent basically saying im negelticing my dog because im not rushing out getting him hypo kibble so take a reading comprehension class.

Second of all im too good and so is my dog (ya i said it) to let you know the progress on the matter and was talking to everyone else about it. And again stop saying bullshit like "if the problem turned out to be correct i would not say so"  because unlike you im a man and can admit my mistakes and im not afraid to say that someone else is right. 

So go sit in the corner in timeout like a good boy and just keep quiet.Thanks.

sorry to interupt  The one my 3yr old had the same probs as yours nice weight but horrible stools when he was a pup, I tried everything in the book and then someone told me about Wafcol salmon and potato, My first thoughts were it cant be that good, anyway i tried it and it worked nice weight nice stools I now have my 6yr girl on it as well she has had no probs with food all her life, My new rescue pup came to me very thin and nasty stools so i put him on the pup version once again its proved itself nice weight after 2 months and nice stools http://www.wafcol.co.uk/

I hope this is of some help good luck.

The One:

If you have done all your health checks and such, and everything is clear, then chances are the food isn't right for him.

Here is what I did when I had problems with Largo as a youngster.  She had both dirrehea and hot spots(horrible, horrible hot spots)

1)  Did a fecal, that was sent out to a reference lab(coccidia and giardia is tough to see under the microscope) and a complete blood panel, including lymes, etc....

2)  Started my dog on grain free diet.

-----We started out with Barking at the Moon, then we tried Evo, etc....The biggest thing with any of these diets, you almost have to underfeed the puppy, as you don't want too fast of growth.

3)  I also started supplimenting her food.

----Probiotics.  Lots of them

----Commercially prepared raw diet(I used Nature's Variety Patties)

----Products designed to boost immunity(I used collodial silver---my spelling may be off there)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_silver)

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She was fine, once I got her off of grains, such as rice, wheat and barley.

Now, almost all "grain free" products have some starch in them.   It could be that your pup is allergic to the starch.  Or it could be that he/she is allergic to the protien.

First I would switch off your current protien formula, supplement with the probiotics, and commercially prepared raw , and think about supplementing with Diatomaceous Earth(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth).

When I looked at your current foods ingredient list, the first thing I noticed, that it wasn't a "novel" or "single" protien source.

Get your puppy on a singe protien source food, not a food that has multiple types of protien.  While some dogs can handle this, some can't.  And the only way to determine if it is food related, is to go to a single source protien, and do a test run(it takes at least 4-6 weeks, sometimes longer, to determine if that protien is going to cause a problem.)

I would start him on "common" protien sources first----IE, start with chicken. Do a cold turkey switch, if nothing is wrong with the lab work(hey, he already has loose bowels, so it doesn't really matter, now does it?)

You also might want to consider cooking him some rice and adding it to his food.  Just rice, brown only, and nothing added too it.  Mix it in with his food.

Largo seems to be able to tolerate rice and oatmeal if I fix it, but put it in a kibble and she blows up with hot spots.

If after 4 weeks in a chicken only kibble, he still has issues, switch him to a beef.  If that doesn't work, go fish.  Then Duck.  Then Kangeroo, etc.....

But, read your labels carefully and make sure that there is no other protien source in the food.

If all that fails, switch him to a food with a different carb source. 

ALSO:  Speak to your vet about straight ivermectin during this time-----there is flavoring, etc...in the pills.

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Now, the other thing to consider is this:

1)  Stress.  Mental, physical, emotional.  All these will cause problems.  Are you pushing him too hard?  Do you yell alot(I don't yell at the dogs, but I just yell alot if I am pissed off----I have had dogs that simply couldn't handle that.)?  Is there some emotional upheaval in your life?

2)  Cleaning supplies.  Are you mopping your floors with something?  Do you use something with a harse chemicals in it to treat your yard?  He might simply be walking in something then licking it off his feet.

3)  Pain.  Is he having issues with Pano?  Or something else causing him physical pain.  If you take him in for medical, and you might want to consider

Theone

You are an insulting fool who does not deserve help, and buddy you are not capable of sending me to any corner

But never the less i hope you find out the Pups problems whatever they are,  they do not act like us  humans do,

Steve

TDT good advice. Im still waiting on results on the tests. How bout going to Natures Variety? Its hard to choose a good food when he is 5 1/2 months old and some grainless foods arent sutiable for pups. Also if he didnt like it when he is a pup is there a chance he wont remember and eat it now, he seemed to be real picky as a pup.

Cold Turkey switch should i fast for 12 or 24 hrs.?

I can be a loud person and idk if its anything else you mentioned cuz when this all started (2 months ago, and i have changed nothing im a pretty consistent in what i do) he was whining in his crate which he never does and i had just got done taking him out a couple of hrs ago and he runs outside and nothing but liquid came out, all day. Luckily the fecal he gave me right before my first vet visit was solid but i took it in and they gave him the meds and everything then it seemed to clear up for a few wks and now it seems like every poop he has is soft. So that is why im askin for antigen and panels

Does yougurt have enough probiotics in it to just give him that? And will any of this stunt his growth? 

Why not just go back to basics, instead of "trying" all of these processed foods.  Just cook for him chicken and rice until he gets better.

Nature's Variety is fine.  That is what I used as the "commercially prepared raw" food.

Probiotics:  They are cheap.  Just go buy some, and mix it in with his food.  I buy mine at Tractor Supply.  It is made for goats, and comes in a powder form, and I use 1 scoop(smallish, probably 2 teaspoons.

You could fast him.  Give his gut a chance to rest.

You could also try "Tylan Powder"  that is great for stopping diarrhea.  Caution:  you have to mix it in with something(tastes horrid) and don't "inhale"---tastes horrid;))

Remind me again:  When they did the fecal, did they find coccidia?  If so, it can be very hard to get rid of.  Some dogs do not have a problem, but other dogs will get the runs when they stress out, if they have the cysts in them.

It sucks, I know....Believe me.  For a while, I was powerwashing my deck and patio every day to keep up with the runs....Finally, it seems to have cleared up, tho.

Waya,

My only concern is that once he is finished cooking for him, he will go back to having the runs again....but, you are right, which is why I also recommended plain brown rice for the pup(nothing added to it, tho)