Scottsdale K-9 unit supervisor kills police dog - Page 2

accidental discharge with pretty darn good aim if he KILLED the dog.  Pretty small target - if he had his gun out (obviously he did) and safety off, finger on the trigger, should have been pointed UP???? - or one (such as myself) would ASSUME that if someone with gun ready to fire, would not have it pointed in a position it could hit another officer in case of ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE - right?  Nope, don't understand it.  Trigger-happy.  And I'm not anti-cop.  I am however anti-shoot-without-knowing-what-you-might-hit-first (cop or anyone who carries a gun)

molly

>  I stand by my quote, "Until you have been there done that" then your comments are unfounded! Until then why can't you just wait for the inquiry like any other anxious impatient citizen would??!

One of the worst things to have is a policeman with weak nerves(not sayin this one did) as while under the stress on conducting a seach he possibly was startled and pulled the trigger.  The worst part is that many departments will go into cover up mode to protect events like this. If I was his supervisor I would be very curious and pull him off the streets if he could not handle the pressure.

In movies people walk around with their guns pointed up....  Not typically in real life.  At least none of the training, lots and lots and lots of training, was ever to walk around with the gun pointed up.

Gard and Deacon, I agree with you. 

People have no clue how difficult it is to handle a K9 on lead while handling your firearm at 3AM while searching a house or a yard for a bad guy.  Most people couldn't do one of those tasks, not to mention all of them at the same time.  I am a firearms instructor for my PD, we teach finger off the trigger while searching until you encounter a threat.  I am a Narcotics Detective and we execute search warrants all the time.  We train building clearing every month and still $#!^ can happen.  I have also been shot at several times, have not returned fire yet because I ddin't have a clear target.  I have drawn my gun and pointed it at lots of people, almost everytime I've done it my finger is on the trigger and the slack is out.  If my gun is pointed at someone I feel they are enough of threat for me to escalate my level of force. 

I feel terrible for the dog and the officer, I'm sure it was accidental.  Us cops are human and we can make mistakes too and sometimes do.  DesertRanger don't be so quick to assume the cop had weak nerves and I'm sure his dept will investigate this.  Let's wait for the results of the investigation before we jump to conclusions.

Molly, you don't need good aim with an AD only bad luck.  A dog on a leash 6' from you is a very big target.  We don't know what happened, did his dog pull and jerk him off balance, did he stumble?  We don't know yet, I'll wait to form my opinion after I read more about it.

Jim

Slam-- what is your IQ?

I was very clear that this was an option and even stated "(not sayin this one did)" .

You sound like a typical cop trying to cover each other's ass.

Like I said , if I was his supervisor I would find out what happened and take care of the problem.

PS:  Within the last month at 4:30 Am in the middle of a storm caught and over  powered a man breaking into a car, yes I could have shot him but I did not as I was in control of myself.

Sorry, I even responded to DesertRanger.  With my obviously low IQ, I forgot he has nothing positive, beneficial or worth while to say based on his prior posts.

He did say this however, which I found very amusing:

"PS:  Within the last month at 4:30 Am in the middle of a storm caught and over  powered a man breaking into a car, yes I could have shot him but I did not as I was in control of myself. "

Hey DR, glad you were in such control of yourself.  The police normally don't shoot people for committing a larceny from a vehicle.  I usually don't have to overpower these guys when I catch them either.  Us cops would really prefer that you just call 911 next time, we don't like to see civilians getting hurt trying to be "heroes."  It's way too much paperwork.

Jim

LOL slam,

Hey not to bash trained police officer's but I saw one shoot himself in the arm at a gun show checking in firearms at the door.  The bullet rolled across the lobby.  

I know a sheriff who shot a friend at his own kitchen table handling a glock which I consider dangerous junk.  I myself have three accidental discharge's to confess too over a thirty year period. 

Shit happen's!!   

One friend almost shot me in my own house handling a loaded revolver, the hole's still there in my kitchen wall.

I didn't read the article, I just wanted to share. And to say we're all human and make mistake's and thing's happen sometime's, thats why they are called accident's.   Two fed's shot at waco were hit by friendly fire, plenty of case's in the military too.   Every occupation has it's hazard's.

Brent.

Slam... Hope you have at least have a GED as you appear to be some detective as you can't even read and understand my post.  I offered an explanation and you decided to respond direct to me so don't turn into a big pussy when I challenge you back.  You just don't like it because I pointed out that your a dumbass.

With the abundance of cameras we see everyday corrput cops abusing people from the lady where they turned off the camera and beat the shit out of her to policemen tasing a girl in kindergarden.  I have always been a supporter of the death penalty in Texas but over the last few years about half the people on death row have been had DNA testing and found to be innocent. So don't take your typical police holier than thou attitude with me. A majority of police are professional and do a excellent job but a percent are corrput and abuse their power and some of them are not capable to handle their jobs.

Two Moons

Good post and I agree. My whole first post was to offer an option that under the stress could have caused the discharge. Could have been for other reasons, maybe he tripped over something etc,, my point was as his supervisor I would find out and I would not cover it up, if the officier is competent then fine shit happens. If as I mentioned he was having trouble handing stress then take him off the streets. I do not like it when authorties cover up and hide things, I believe in being open and confronting and fixing the problem.  I have donated alot of monies to support our local police and fire departments. One of my best friends is a detective.

Slam got his panties in a wad and did not read/understand my post and then jumped on me. I will defend and be supportive gof ood police but will not tolerate un-ethicial and in-competent ones.