DO YOU SELL YOUR PUPPIES WITH A CONTRACT - Page 2

Karen. I would be surprised if the Kennel Club will do anything about this. You agreed to lift the registration endorsements when the dog was 18 months old and if you dont do that then it is YOU who will be in breach of contract.

When you sold this puppy you obviously knew the owners plans for her future, and she's done nothing that your contract didnt allow her to do. Just because it isnt what you would have done yourself, or that you feel you have been told lies, doesnt change the fact that you did nothing to prevent what has happened.

I'm not condoning the mating of any bitch at 16 months old. Just saying IMO your contract wasnt all that good and you should be prepared to shoulder some of the blame.

ZAC

Please explain to me how you can prevent an owner from mating a 16-month-old puppy to her own stud dog???? It is physically impossible.

When the owner bought the puppy she did not tell me of her intentions of mating her at 16 months old, other wise I would not have sold her the puppy.  And as far as the Kennel Club, after my initial contact with them, they contacted me to find out more details.

QUOTE she’s done nothing that your contract didn’t allow her to do.

She did, she mated her at 16 months old, then when she reached 18 months asked me to lift the endorsement because she had just come into season and she wanted to mate her. Are you saying that she must have had amnisure and she forgot that she had already mated her and had already been scanned and had 10+ puppies?

And you are right it is not something that I would do, but I also said other breeders do it and that is up to them, but, as a responsible breeder myself I do my very best to do what I consider right, and do my best to make sure anybody with animals that I have bred also do the right thing. 

IMO your contract wasn’t all that good

Well you are entitled to your opinion, that is why we have these sites to voice our opinions, but my contracts haven’t done badly in 20 years, only 3 animals returned to us and not through any fault of theirs, and the few that I have put in show/breeding homes, this is the only one that has gone wrong. So I obviously find good homes/buyers that adhere to my contract.

Karen.  I'm saying there was nothing in your contract to prevent the owner from mating the bitch before a particular age.  If you thought that under 2 years old was unacceptable, then maybe your contract should have refelected this?

There is, however, something in the contract which says you will lift the endorsements at 18 months old assuming the hip score is OK . and you dont seem to be disputing the score is acceptable.

I'm just curious, but how do you evaluate these contracts so you know who's sticking to them and who's not? How, for example, would you know if the dog had been sold to another person rather than returned to yourself?

ZAC

If buyers cant trust you to honour a signed deal then what is there to encourage them to buy from a person who cant be true to their word?

ZAK

Are you on drugs or something.

Its her thats broken the contract not me, she mated the bitch before she was allowed to. Why don’t you make yourself known to me at the next show, I would love to meet you face to face !!!!!!

You are such a plonker. There is a phrase for people like you,

GO  DRIFT

karen

Karen . Unless your contract says she cant breed the bitch before its 2 years old, then she's not broken the contract. YOU however, have done by refusing to lift the endorsement as you promised to do when she bought the pup.

ZAK

WHAT ARE YOU READING?????

QUOTE FROM CONTRACT SHE SIGNED

THE BREEDERS HAVE AGREED WITH THE BUYERS THAT WHEN THIS PUPPY REACHES 12 MONTHS OLD, SHE MUST HAVE HER HIPS X-RAYED AND SCORED THROUGH THE B.V.A.  AS LONG AS THE BITCH HAS A REASONIBLE SCORE THE BREEDERS WILL LIFT THE RESTRICTION FOR THE BITCH TO BE BRED FROM THE AGE OF 18 MONTHS OLD. HOWEVER, THE BREEDERS DO NOT QUARANTEE THE HIP SCORE OF THE PUPPY [as a brood bitch] AS IT IS BEING SOLD AS A PET/COMPANION, AND NOT AS A BROOD BITCH. Her hips are total 13

This person initially wanted a pet/companion and to show occacinally not a brood bitch. But said if her hips were good, could  she maybe take a litter from her in the future.

But as i also stated in a previous post.  

QUOTE  I do agree with your point that contract should have read 24 months, and error on my part, as we would not normally mate a bitch under that age.

That is as clear as glass to me.

I think you have to release the breeding rights as per the contract, but not until the dog was 18 months.  With AKC limited registration a breeding, before the date of lifting limited reg to full reg, would result in a litter that could never be registered.  I'm not sure how it works in your country.  I think the best you can hope for is that this one litter goes unregistered.  After that it seems she's fulfilled her part of the contract in that the bitch's hips are a pass?  You need to honor the contract on the points you are repsonsible for...even if she's bred the dog too early, intentionally or not (doesn't matter).