LONGCOATS - Page 2

You are mistaken.  I saw coats being eliminated in the ring by SV koermeisters in 1994, and I believe that the ban was a year or two prior. 

I have a question about longcoats, though it's a little askew from this conversation; but I've been wanting to ask others their opinions for sometime:)  

I really like "coats" both plush & long stock (but not so long that the dog starts looking like a collie:)  I've spent some time looking at picts and it seems to me, and this may very well be purely subjective on my part, that dogs produced from breeding for longcoats look a bit different then the longcoats born when breeding for stock coats. Personally I prefer the look of the later because the longcoats born from longcoat breedings look a little "loose" to me - if that makes sense:)  Has anyone noticed any differences between the "coats" born from these different breeding goals?  For me the difference is significant enough that I would either wait for that randomly thrown longcoat produced from stock coat breedings or get a stock.

Any thoughts?

TIA.

Susan

Susan

I agree with your observations, and I believe that many people who breed for longcoats alone stop looking at construction when considering the mating.  Long coats that are produced by nature are generally more correct as the lines are generally better as they have been chosen more for construction and type than coat.

I have a longcoat who's lines go back to Germany and she is better constructed than my shortcoat female.  However I do know of a breeder in the UK who is known for her longcoats but unlike many she breeds for good lines as well as coat and the results are fab.

I thought the SV decided to ban long coats from the showring in 1951, did they let them back at a later stage?

Sorry for the Q. but didnt go to Germany untill 2001.

Pam

i don't agree that you lose th quality of your pup's when just breeding long coats.

Nearly all that we breed are longcoated dogs from very good lines. Take a look at our previous litters page and you can see for yourselves, www.kazetigsds.co.uk

Longcoats are great and all of ours live with us as part of the family, looking forward to some changes lets wait and see how good things get,

Doug

Pam:  Long STOCK coats are being allowed back, not long coats with no undercoat.

Thanks Sue

Pam

In light of how much undercoat I have combed out in the last couple of days I take it my girl would be allowed back in!

Doug,

I'm sorry I was careless in my post. You are absolutely right.  I should have said I was making a generalization and that I have indeed come across clear exception to this observation (though I'm not sure I've come across an American kennel that is avoiding this "problem" but there are many kennels I'm unaware of)

I have no doubt some kennels do a great job producing a "total dog" but I think when breeding for long coat other kennels - like many kennels who specialize be it coat, show, work - can loose site of the whole animal.  with some show dogs I've noticed weak temperaments - e.g. aloofness/indifference to owner; with some working dogs loss of versatility e.g so much drive they can only do protection/police work demanding a lot for their owner and with some coated dogs a looseness e.g. droopy face & eyes.

These are just some observation's of mine and I didn't mean to sound critical of a specific breeding program though I know it read that way.  I love coats but I don't like that quality I've been noticing just as I don't like the overly hard drive or the aloof indifference other specialized breeding program can produce if not careful.

Susan

I'm really excited about the changes for the longcoats. Can't wait to see how the new pup turns out. Will I be able to get a show rating for her next year? Not sure if it's a fault or not, but the small white spot on her chest is almost gone now and hopefully won't be back. I told a friend today I don't think I paid enough for her as she has such a super nice temperament and is learning so fast. Maybe I finally won the puppy crap shoot :)