New Color? - Page 2

so from what you are saying, july9000, then all the white gsd breeders should be faulted and bashed, oh wait, thats already happened.  I have had 1 breeder tell me that she wished they would invent a disease that would take out all the white gsd.  the white gsd breeding community has done more genetic testing and culling on their dogs than any other breeding group (Showline, working line ect).  they are alot more open about what problems are in their lines.  they had to, to prove to the rest of the world that their dogs weren't inferior and could do the same thing as any other colored gsd can.

Standards have changed countless times from when the breed first originated.  dilute colors, whites, brindles all played a major role in starting the breed. the skin conditin you are refering to is called CDA, CANINE DILUTION ALPOECIA.   you can test for CDA in your lines. also, dilute gsd have shown to not be affected by poor hair and skin quality as dobermanns or other breeds. 

Who cares that she is breeding these colors.  didn't the US constitution say, right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness?

I did not post her website link to cause her trouble or to have people bash her without probable cause.

I am interested in the history or genetics of her dog Bella's coloring.  I wanted to see if other breeders, possibly some in the UK or Netherlands would say that they too have also seen this color.

wow that pup is stunning ...want one... 

Reverse  sable ,great, nothing wrong

Uh yeah,  I didn't look at her site. Purposefully breeding for non standard colors isn't cool but like Sue said, if one came up in a nicely bred litter I wouldn't say no. I like the look of the blues and livers and the reverse sable even more but if it's not within the standard, I wouldn't breed for it. People have allot more than just color to think about when choosing a puppy. For me, color is the last thing I worry about, even if I am crossing my fingers and hoping some blacks or bi-colors creep into a litter I am interested in. Still don't have one of either, haven't seen the right pup in those colors, in the litters I have purchased from. I'm not crazy enough to skip a nice breeding because the "color" I wanted didn't happen. I own a freakin' sable...again...yuck!

well, I know there isn't a pedigree posted, but I can possibly get her pedigree for people that want to see.  I am pretty sure She is not a product of a blue or liver or even white breeding.  I believe she acquired her from a breeder in the netherlands.  I will ask again and see where she came from.  I am pretty sure I have been told though that her mother was a dark sable.

I sure would like to see this five month old pup at about 18 months old.  ecs

 WOHHHHH. I DIDN'T BASH HER...WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COLOUR. WHY WOULD I CARE WHAT SHE BREED..SHE IS THE ONE WHO WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH HER PROBLEMS IF SOME APPEARS, JUST LIKE RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS DO.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT RIGHT FROM THE START THEY'RE BREDDING DIAQUALIFYING FAULT..THAT'S ALL

EVERYBODY IS SO HORMONAL...

I've produced similar here in Ohio. One female I produced was out of a traditional WGR blk/red show line imported mother and a black father (majority WGR show line but some working line). She's not the first one I've seen, either. It IS quite beautiful and striking, really. And this girl I produced was sharp as a tack and was obedience trained when I sold her as a pet (never bred or anything). I had her from the time she was whelped until I sold her at 19 mos old so I witnessed this first-hand.
The pups start out looking like they will be solid black from the time they are whelped until they hit around 3 1/2 mos old (14wks). But by 4 mos old, some iron-grey like bleedthrough began on the feathering of the back legs, at the armpits,  at the privates, and on the sides of the neck. Here is a pic of a female I produced at 5 mos old who had this (sorry the pic isn't better, but if you look closely at her armpit and the side of the neck, you can see what I'm talking about):

Her feet and between the toes always stayed SOLID black-they were when I sold her at 19 months old, although the bleedthru of color became a little more obvious with some age. It was not associated with any sable lineage (blk/red mother had an all blk/red pedigree, black father had blk/reds, black, and a few bi-colors in pedigree-no sable within the first 6 gens at least), so I don't think I'd consider it "sable".  But its interesting nonetheless. :o)

Blues and livers...no thank you.

A lot of dog's, a lot of variety in color's.   

I would love to see the various pedigree's from these dog's.

I am not bashing here but it's clear to me color is the breeder's criteria.

It's interesting I must say.

But I'm not interested enough to e-mail for the pedigree info.

I kind of like thing's on the strange side as long as the animal's are healthy and have ability beyond just the look.

Food for thought.