SchH vs PSA ...an observation - Page 2

It's not just SchH and PSA - I think there are people that lift their lips at all kinds of sports.  My helper is a SchH and an SDA helper - and it is likely that those are the two Prot. Sports I will be working in (in addition the the herding).  I've had guys from both sides thumb their nose up at it.  I think it's silly...each of the sports (and any sport really...not just prot. sport) has something to offer or to test the dog in.  They all have value.

~Cate

My experience with SchH has Not been good. Im taking it up to the higest level & see where it goes. Its more of a people issue with me.   Yes, its very routine, but Im OK with that.

PSA on the other hand,  has re kindled my interest in dog sport.  It is in a worrd, amazing.  A blast & great people overall.

This is the best video on PSA,. A PSA 3 titled dog. I think there are less than 10 of these titles ever issued. We had a SchH3 dog fail the PSA 1.   PSA is for real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPkTEnMJKG0

I love it when tough guys use the word" for real" It makes me giggle.

Bob

Since you seem to have Posting Diarrhea, Ill clarify

SchH is a routine. Choreographed, eveyr step is known & practiced in advance, thousands of times.

PSA is not.   

It can change on the spot & does.   The scenarios.... Car jacking, mulitple attackers etc are much more realistic & involve much more stress, & with the water, hoses, & use of something other than a padded stick, that much more so.   Again, there was a SchH3 dog that failed the PSA regionnal PSA 1 in Tennessee 2 months ago.

I like SchH. Its was a great breed cert before it became a Sport & showlines/money took over..

And If you want to test me, you can visit me anytime.  I train at Jorge Gurgels gym.  Just Ask for Bill..

  could care less who Jorge Gurgels is, Yes i,ve seen Sch dogs who are sleeve suckers and I,ve seen PSA dogs that you could not even get close to a crowd both venues have there attractors and detractors all dogs are real dogs check there DNA 

Ugly once again you have  no clue what you are talking about, schutzhund sport has nothing to do with showlines, both PSA and schutzhund are SPORTS, and your backhanded compliment and bad attitude is a perfect example of exactly what the rest of us are talking about.  Come back and bitch about schutzhund once you have actually done something in it, until then you are just one more bad apple with sour grapes whose opinion doesn't mean squat.

One more thing - you are "taking it up to the highest level", are you?  Well good luck with that, I'm sure you can do it blindfolded since it's so easy, probably will make it to WUSV level right away since you have it all figured out.  Let us know when you are on the podium. 

Actually ,myself I respect and admire people who work hard and are succcessful no matter what they are doing. To be honest I have been to AKC shows and watched little old ladies work their dogs and get their titles and be very proud of themselves and I admire the amount of hard work and persistence they had to succced. Same for Schutzhund or any other sport, it takes many days and hours of training and work not even mentioning the expense to title your dogs in anything. We should not be-grudge people who get off the couch and get to work!  It takes alot of work to get a dog pattern trained and equipment orientated but nothing wrong with that, ever notice how sports teams get repeating the same plays in practice? Now the PSA does look intersting and I may even get into it on my next dog, we all can get bored and something new like this can re-energize us to work towards a goal!

Wow this post turned nasty pretty quickly!  Can't we all just play nice?

I will say that PSA is much different in the fact that it is not the same situation every time, yes and actually Douglas and Lodi failed their first PSA trial a couple of months ago, something happened on the attack in the car jacking, Lodi did something he wasn't supposed to do I think....  but they kept working and then kicked ass last weekend!  Now Jose is trying to convince Douglas to put a Brevet on Lodi!!!

Our club is the Alameda County Schutzhund Club in Livermore CA.  This is my club where I started with Sasha over 4 years ago, I had no clue about Schutzhund and they took me in and we learned a lot!  Sasha had her SchH3 one month before she turned three years old, she was a HOT dog, but I could not have done it with out my club.  I now live 50 miles one way from my  club, although there is a nice club right here in Modesto only 5 minutes away from my home, but that is just not MY club, so as the pocket book permits I train at my club l  Have slowed down a bit in the last 5 months due to slow work, but life is looking up and we are going to be out much more often!

We welcome visitors, those who are novice, have old man retired dogs, and world class competitors, come one out!

"Ugly once again you have  no clue what you are talking about, schutzhund sport has nothing to do with showlines, both PSA and schutzhund are SPORTS."

Sue, I very clearly know what Im talking about.  SchH WAS a Breed cert, not a Sport, just  a few decades ago. When it became a Sport,  the breed was watered down & you see crap masquerading as a GSD, aka Showlines. GSDs can & do compete in PSA & Do very well.  The working line dogs do fine, but it is a very fast sport & lots of environmental distractions that some dogs struggle with.   Watch videos of a PSA trial, its day & Night.  There are also Hidden Sleeves used. Yes PSA is a Sport, but theres no Real Money in it, or in the dogs being used to breed. Thats the difference,  in addition to the routines.

I like both, my issue with SchH is on the people side, The money has corrupted the sport & sacrificed the breed overall.   SchH USA  isnt particular with who they allow to run their clubs. There is no background check, its ripe for ripoff artists, cons & fools,  & they dont give a Damn.   Ive not had good experiences at 2 SchH clubs.   I found PSA to be alot more friendly..$25 pound dogs to import Mals.  If it can work, it is worked.  There are few 'hang ups'. .  Its not really about the dogs in SchH,  but the people & their egos.   PSA is the exact opposite imo.  Thats not to say there arent good, welcoming, friendly  SchH clubs,  but  i think that they are rarities.

Best advice, is go take in a few trials. Go to some different clubs & see what appeals best to you. Sue, youll know it when I bitchslap someone. I did nothing of the sort in my previous post.

 Bitchslap... give me a break, 

If your looking for problems to denounce a venue you can find them in every venue from sch to psa to golf to waterpolo. Any one can make a argument. Not all Sch clubs traing soley for the "routine" you would be amazed just how many clubs have full bite suits,reed and bambo sticks, hidden sleeves,work there dogs in woods at nite and keep the protection intresting not every sch clubs biggest goal are points and selling puppies. I,m sorry you havent had a good experience with Schutzhund clubs but there are a lot more then a couple clubs out there.

As to the original post  Sch vs Psa  there are different strokes for different folks, and thats the way it should be, if there were a little more willingness on every bodys part and less Machismo going on we would probably find out that we have lots incommon and lots to learn from one another. If every body like the exact same thing there would only be vanilla ice cream.